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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Holy shit the things the Israelis do to arabic dead bodies I fucking won't post that shit but oh my fucking god I can't not fucking say that is some of the most depraved shit I have ever seen seen. I literally haven't seen actual real nazis behave this way to corpses.

[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

spoilerI've seen one where they shoved a flag down there and 2 others where they pissed on them, most I've seen from palis was stepping on some IOF dead head

[-] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Please add a content warning or put behind a spoiler tag

[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 1 year ago

worst part is that we have seen nothing yet, the IDF combattants aren't allowed to share videos until the whole thing ends and what we have seen are the ones who broke orders, so expect worse things to appear once the dust settles.

[-] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago
[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago

some IDF fucker sent this on a discord server I lurk in

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

I literally haven't seen actual real nazis behave this way to corpses.

ww2 footage has some of this, and no doubt ukraine.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

I've seen a lot of what comes out of ukraine and this is worse.

[-] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

That's hard to fathom, and I'm not going to try to. Is this stuff you're seeing on telegram? News websites? Part of me wants to have links to it on hand for when the pro-genocide faction pushes their atrocity propaganda imagery, just to be able to throw in their faces the same sort of thing they're using to paint Palestinians as "animals." On the other hand I don't want those images, even if they're just a description in words, rattling around in my mind. Maybe the links should be posted under strong warning spoiler tags in the Israeli Crimes thread?

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Probably because ukraine has mostly been forced out of the region it wants to kill, but its also a propaganda master, so it could have much suppressed. Im just reluctant to say the IDF is worse than, say, the Barbarossa Nazis. The accounts alone can easily be compared to whats happening here.

Sorry, I'm not saying 'IDF isn't that bad' its that 'the IDF is just as evil as the nazis'. Its late but I hope I phrased it correctly.

Maybe im too naive to fathom their evil. How can people be so fucking depraved?

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

I've been avoiding Telegram for this reason after I saw what made its way to Twitter. I saw the one where they continuously ran over the dead Palestinian with a car. But what really got to me was towards the end when the Zionist started laughing. That laughter wasn't even anime villain laughter, but "this is the part of the movie where the flawed character you were half-rooting for finally shows that they're beyond redemption" laughter. The sheer malice and contempt for humanity that came from that laughter.

[-] Sinister@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

I disavowed anything thats constitutes as both-sideism once I saw how Israelis spoke about Palestinians and it made me sick to my stomach.

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