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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

A couple minutes ago Jake Tapper was talking about the US desire to create a "humanitarian corridor" for "innocent Palestinians". It was the first time I heard an American network news anchor or reporter use the word "innocent" in terms of Gazans even though they've surely used that word 1,000s of times for Israelis.

[-] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

The only innocent Israelis are the children who cannot know better and the adults who oppose the genocide of Palestinians. Using the word "innocent" to describe an adult in full possession of their faculties that, with eyes wide open, participates in ethnic cleansing and settlement of stolen land is perverse.

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

Yeah, a "humanitarian corridor" like the Trail of Tears was a "humanitarian corridor"

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have to imagine that the US is telling all these people exactly what to say, so this is a slightly positive sign; the US probably doesn't want two million dead Palestinians (from thirst at this rate). Like, they don't care that much as America doesn't think Arabs are sentient beings let alone human, but they don't want the other Arab states to get too mad at them and their imperial outpost.

The problem is where the fuck all these people are going to go. To the southwest of Gaza are two things: sand, and rocks. For over a hundred kilometers. Sinai has a total population of 600,000 people right now, and Arish, on the most logical path out of Gaza, has less than 200,000 people.

If the corridor instead goes through Israel to the rest of the Middle East, then Netanyahu will decide that actually there's a single Hamas child in that convoy and so a few hundred thousand people should be bombarded, and the United States will say "We don't think this is a good thing to do" while continuing to shove billions of dollars and planeloads of weaponry down Israel's fascist maw.

Egypt cannot take them without collapsing. Europe could take them but it would require a) non-racist governments, and b) actual fucking cheap housing development, which are both impossible in the neoliberal world.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

All of Gaza being emptied and all the Palestinians displaced as refugees is exactly what Israel wants. That's just a victory for Israel and successful ethnic cleansing. We shouldn't be looking to evacuate and empty Gaza, we should be looking to either stop the conflict or change the fronts of the conflict to other parts of Israel

[-] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Lib compromise: what about a peaceful ethnic cleansing?

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Egypt cannot take them without collapsing.

I think ultimately the US will bribe Egypt with billions (tens of billions?) that the US media will call "military and humanitarian aid". And the Egyptians will create shitholes for the Palestinians to live in but they've never see a penny of the aid.

[-] theother2020@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Then, when the ones who stayed are obliterated, Westerners will say it's a pity but they had a chance to leave.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

I really want some American talking head to answer the following question.

"You and your dad (or grandfather) are Gazans. You don't know where the rest of your family is. They might have been killed by the IDF for that you know . He's very ill, he's frail, and he has dementia. You have no car. Nobody you know even has any gas. You're going to have to walk south. The harsh conditions of the desert will be compounded with likely little to no food, little water, and no shelter. Plus the IDF killing everything in their path that can't move fast enough out of the way. He can move at little more than a shuffle. Do you try in vain to move south knowing that's a likely death sentence for him? Do you stay in your home and possibly, eventually kill him and commit suicide? Do you do something else? What do you do?

[-] Rojo27@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Kind of wary of this way of reporting it though. Let's say that by some "miracle" Israel allows a humanitarian corridor to be established. Any civilians left behind will just be labeled as Hamas supporters and will become "acceptable collateral" when Israel decides to level the north half of Gaza.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Whatever happens - it will be a bloodbath in Gaza.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Maybe it's sinking in that the Zionists are really going to slaughter two million people while the world watches and does nothing. Rwanda 2.0

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

There are surely people in every news room who have the aftermath of 9/11 on their minds. And I think they would agree that in alternate realities where Al Qaeda had controlled and been based in the US - say - Long Island - and 9/11 had been a bunch of dirty bombs in Manhattan with a death toll of ~50,000 - the US would have gone into Long Island, turned every single single building into rumble, done war crimes and committed atrocities.

And that's the Israel mindset right now.

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