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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] Antiwork@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago

So the Freedom Socialist Party had said nothing about the ongoing genocide, but was so quick to support Ukraine. So that means I’m allowed unlimited sectarianism on trots right?

[-] Torenico@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

The Trots in my country are pretty much the only ones who condemn the Genocide and even called out the Apartheid State of Israel live during a presidential debate. I know it's funny to diss the trots from the time to time but this isn't 1935.

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

I hate the argument that 'it isn't so and so year'

Trotskyists and Stalinists are still around, so that means the conflict still exists! They didn't just stop being trotskyists cause they got bored or something, give them at least some credit.

Leftism as a whole in many countries has been reduced to an infantile state, so while it grows it will naturally start going through all of the ancient infighting as they find their footing (a reflection of the worldwide growth as a whole). Why do you think people still argue over the Spanish civil war? World War 2? The Purges? Trotskyist works are also pushed by the state specifically for the purpose of sectarianism! You want to think they stopped?

It really doesn't matter when it started if the ideological sectors who fight over it are still around. It hasn't been fully solved. It still exists! That is a bad excuse for an argument.

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Trots main enemy was soviet union, now they are shadowboxing, Let them rest in peace. Also read trotsky.

[-] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Trots main enemy was soviet union

Only the Trots whose main enemy isn't China, or each other. /j

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

not really joking

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

his early stuff his good

his moaning about stalin and most post civ war is meh

menshevik shit is weird too

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Nah his fascism stuff i fell is most important and solid, i'm always be propagandizing his takes. The internal bolshevik shitstorms are not that interesting, let trot parties have that "fun"

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

oh no thats what I mean, his fascism stuff is good and stalinists (marxist leninists on the stalin side of the split) who refute that are usually just being dogmatic. Stalin had copies of Trotsky's works on fascism in his own office.

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Current Trot main enemy: People who think Harvey Weinstein should be in prison

[-] sempersigh@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Nah trots spend much of their time attacking other trots as it is and there’s a lot of inconsistency from group to group it’s not fair to lump them all in one basket

[-] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Nah trots spend much of their time attacking other trots as it is and there’s a lot of inconsistency from group to group it’s not fair to lump them all in one basket

There's no need to do sectarianism on Trots, they take care of it themselves. stalin-joking

[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

So that means I’m allowed unlimited sectarianism on trots right?

no, it does not

[-] Antiwork@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

They do not align with my views. There are liberals who align more with me than trots.

[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fair enough. Sectarianism is still against the site rules though

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

dogmatic anti-sectarianism is just as bad as rabid as dogmatic sectarianism

[-] Antiwork@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

That’s why I’m saying trots should not be included in that group.

[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

What's the point of anti-sectarianism rule if we start excluding random leftoid flavours based on your opinion of them? I also have negative things to say about Trotskyists, and I have some negative things to say about MLs as well. I still don't think sectarianism should be permitted, if that's how the website was set up. Don't start drama

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

oh my god yes, you act like you understand the tolerance paradox then fail to internalize it when it comes to this

do you really want the site to die from the inevitable trotsky-stalin struggle? At least we can form some loose coalition, but Marxist Leninists and trotskyists are literally created to be against each other. Allowing them in due to some misplaced sympathy would do more to start drama than to simply kick them out.

unless you can somehow get trots to shut up about the soviet union or Stalin, or how they are the real successors of leninism. Which is basically the core of their subculture.

Trotsky would fuckin hate trotskyists lol

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago
[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Resist the sectarian urge, it's just a waste of time, let arguments stand for themselves

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