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The suspect is believed to be Robert Card, a 20-year US Army veteran from Bowdoin Center, Maine.

(according to Telegrams so take with grain of salt)

EDIT: Name confirmed by news.

According to law enforcement, CARD recently reported mental health issues to include hearing voices and threats to shoot up the National Guard Base in Saco, ME.

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[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 148 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 68 points 1 year ago

The way I see it, the ship sailed on preventing mass shootings in the US with either Sandy Hook or Columbine. The shock of children being butchered gave way to The Discourse (TM) and now a large proportion of the population just accept shootings as a fact of life like car crashes.

Add to that the sheer number of guns in the US, as well as the gun-related brain rot in the general population, you'd need a campaign of concerted government action that would make the war against drugs look like child's play.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Something that might cut down on it tho would be a robust social safety net. It's pretty easy to get a gun if you really want one in Denmark, yet we don't really have mass shootings - you can get pistols legally here, though its a difficult process. You can get arms illegally relatively easily, if you've got the money. Same goes for other countries.
Though no other country is so weirdly obsessed about guns as the us is, both in terms of "gotta have em" and also using them? At least it seems like that to me. It's like a totem or a cultural signifier or something. People need to carry them everywhere, and everyone needs to be able to have it. It's fucked up.
But still, other countries do make weapons available to the public at large (though far from the ease which it is in the us), but mass shootings aren't a thing. Possibly because people aren't as stretched out physically and mentally. That combined with not having gun stores on every street makes a big difference.

[-] quarrk@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

The American obsession with guns goes deep, all the way to the very conception of being American. The country was founded on a settler colonial fantasy of exploring a new (to Europe) frontier, and the actual settlers had to be quite self-reliant, often living in very remote areas in challenging climes. On top of the settler-colonialism, there grew a strong identity of self reliance and rejection/independence of society. I think some early American settlers were really self-reliant, having acquired their own means of production and in fact not needing to interact much with society. Of course, the majority of Americans were urbanites from the beginning. Yet, the idea of the frontier was always prominently in mind and cited proudly by all Americans regardless of their actual lifestyle.

I will gloss over a lot of American history and simply state that augmenting the national military with state militias made sense both before and after the American Revolution, so it is not surprising that a limit was put in place (the 2nd amendment) to prevent the federal government from monopolizing access to guns. But this was in large part a consideration of the rights of state governments vis-a-vis the federal government, in terms of their own established militias which already existed, not necessarily for random joes to open-carry in their local Walmart.

That is some historical context for the early link between gun ownership and American patriotism ... the question remains, why has it stuck around even to the modern day, when the vast majority of Americans were born here and live in urban cities far away from any "frontier"?

I think that question is the one most people, especially non-Americans focus on. Clearly it is the result of a concerted propaganda effort on the part of the US military/Hollywood, and in recent decades, the Republican Party and NRA. They have morphed the existing frontier mindset into something somewhat new and more abstract, a generic anti-authoritarianism in which the gun owner no longer defends against a specific foe like nature or "savages" or the British, but organized society in general, which they blame for eliminating the Wild West which they so desperately wish still existed in order to live out their settler-colonial fantasy. (See also: Westworld)

Didn't expect to write this much, but my point is basically that it will take a lot more than solving material conditions of poverty to eliminate the backward gun culture in America. Like @Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net said, it'll take a concerted re-education effort to undo decades or centuries of propaganda about American culture itself and what it is to be American.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks for the writeup! Very interesting

[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

I agree completely. Just compare america's reaction to continuous mass shootings to that of Canada or Australia. The massacres at Ecole Polytechnique and Port Stanley led to sweeping changes in gun legislation in both countries, while Columbine, Sandy Hook, Uvalde, Virginia Tech, etc have led to basically nothing being done to curb the endless stream of mass shooters. Now I'll leave discussion about firearm legislation for another time, but I can't help but think a basic screening system along with mandatory firearm safety training if someone wants to own firearms goes a long way to reducing gun violence. Of course there are issues with how that sort of thing is implemented and who ends up being approved (us-foreign-policy ), and I don't see a realistic way to implement buybacks/confiscations/licensing program without frothingfash exacerbating the whole situation and leading to even more mass shootings

[-] muirc@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

Fucking evergreen

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