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Web browsers are just another adware/spyware ridden operating system running on top of the original adware/spyware ridden operating system. For as much as possible we should go back to more dedicated protocols and clients that have a very limited scope that volunteer developers can actual keep up with like gemini for blogs or for lemmy - desktop clients like Alexandrite or Neon Modem.
P.s. get linux --> ur OS no longer adware spyware
I guess, but that's just half the problem. Like most people now use google docs not just because it's super convienient but kids are also conditioned to do so on chromebooks now. That creep RMS was right about somethings lol.
Yes I have heard several independent sources (all personal anecdotes only) that many teens/young adults are not framiliar with basic computing tasks such as navigating the file system. Because their experience has primarily been this kind of mobile-first "cloud" stuff. Design is streamlined enough that you don't need to know where your file resides. It is all hidden from the user.
I can understand why schools distribute chromebooks but it is a terrible disservice to the students to allow such a limited experience of computers to pervade.
Teachers are their own IT department too in all this so keeping simple where possible is important.
With the way everything else is going I don't know if learning libreoffice is really a worthwhile priority over growing and storing food, metal shop, construction and permacomputing.
Plan 9 aesthetics are under appreciated. Would often imagine a communist society with plan 9 terminals everywhere when I went through that phase.
What are u talking about. Alexandrite runs in a web browser. Idk these others but the premise is insane so not checking.
U should at least get a browser like w3 or elinks if u r gonna be weirdo like this.
Dont go around posting that ppl should prefer clients vs web bc most clients ppl have r 1000% worse for privacy and tracking than web version of same site. Someone will read this and think fb app is better than fb in browser which at least can be configed to send less tracking.
The premise is wrong because
99.9999% of "clients" are way worse than any browser for same service
so just throwing such advice around is wildly irresponsible. Examples given were
alexandrite for desktop - does not exist and if it did it would be what, an electron app?
Gemini - impossible or unweildy to use web browser anyway. gemini is a revamped gopher. You can access gemini via a web proxy but i doubt that is substantially worse than using a client https://geminiprotocol.net/clients.html either a proxy or client could contain malicious or sloppy code
neon modem - a github project with 9 contributors https://github.com/mrusme/neonmodem. it is a TUI interface for an itty bitty nichy part of the web. Cool to find out there is a tui for lemmy i will try it because i am a total weirdo not a normal person. It took me years to learn enough to be able much less willing to try a tui for fun.
So we have zero examples. Better but still not great example would have been reddit with 3PA prior to the API changes. Or mail cient vs webmail. Or usenet vs forums. Or bittorrent streaming vs netflix. Ytdlp vs youtube. Rss vs most other options.
Web is universal and low barrier. If you want to move to clients for everything youd have to rework every kind of function done on the web. Personally i like using special FLOSS clients when i can (like the lemmy client i am using right now) but i dont want it for everything. And a lot of the coziness with volunteer small groups of devs would vanish with any degree of popularity. A lot of the vulnerabilities that persist are pervasive to the internet and need systemic solutions like net neutrality and enforcement of regulations. Same problems could easily reproduce themselves with the proposed solution. Security thru obscruity sux.
@PaX & @EatPotatoes I tried neonmodem. Was eventually able to login to hexbear.
username and password stored plain text wtf
--help, the readme, the applicationLots of people share computers, they have unencrypted hdds, they have auto cloud backup etc. Hopefully no need to describe all reasons why plain text credential storage is Bad.
Like the advice to prefer clients over web, this project in its current state is plain irresponsible.
Clear from the github/website that this is intended primarily to adhere to devs' aesthetic tastes and nothing more.