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Keir Starmer praises Margaret Thatcher for bringing ‘meaningful change’ to UK
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As an American, the UK seems like a much more shitty and horrible place to live.
I think it depends. Our safety nets are significantly better and our homeless problem is comparatively non-existent compared to the US homeless quantity. 500k homeless vs 5k to put it in perspective (we use the term rough sleepers for the equivalent of what america uses). The 200k homeless figure we publish includes people living in any form of temporary accomodation, including staying with friends. We have the NHS too, which while strangled and coming apart at the seams is still free at point of service and doesn't ruin anyone's lives for using it. Additionally you don't have to worry about getting shot by our cops which is a slight improvement, although any protesters need to worry about them and they're definitely the biggest rape gang in the country.
With all that said however, working people have it rough. The quality of life for people in work is not nearly as good as america because cost of living is so high and wages are comparatively low.
It really depends on what you're looking at and comparing. America is more brutal to anyone that has even the slightest mishap in life whereas Britain is not. But Britain is fucking horrific to people at the low to mid income range of work. I think most people would take the security and safety of Britain over America but a lot of upper-middle to high income people would certainly prefer the latter. There's a reason so many skilled professionals leave the country, they can get better wages elsewhere.
Makes sense thank you for sharing with me
It's quite shit right now but ngl I wouldn't want to live in America either. There are some things I value that we have here which is why it's ever more of a shame it's going down the shitter.
Like what?
healthcare for one, lack of armed crazy people another
Just for clarification, were not arguing here, i dont think US is better. Isnt your healthcare system going to shit too?
oh absolutely it's going to shit but the American healthcare is already there
Our healthcare is being deliberately mismanaged so it can be sold off piecemeal and eventually turned into yours
Eh, to be honest I think part of the reason why the NHS looks better is because while american healthcare sucks and is too expensive, you brits have never experianced it in comparison to your own.
I watched philosophy tube's video about the NHS and honestly it seems like the NHS is a government agency dedicated to wasting tens of billions of dollars to maintain the appearance of healthcare so people can feel good about themselves until they actually need it. I for one prefer to know that at least while I might be financially ruined at a hospital or receiving gender affirming care, at least I can get it.
The NHS is very good for healthcare for people with serious injuries and terminal conditions
gender affirming care is considered a quality of life treatment rightly or wrongly treated as the same category as old people getting surgeries to walk better, hearing aids, and cataract treatment and the NHS is mismanaged deliberately by people that want to destroy it especially by making it so there are very few resources to go into that kind of care
if you broke a leg they would see you that day and have it set free of charge and you wouldn't need to worry about ambulance costs or networks or anything. They are also good for serious illnesses like cancer
There is a fairly simple comparison to make here, the UK life expectancy is 80.9 years while the US life expectancy is 77.2 years.
Healthcare in the UK is bad for anything that is a non-emergency, this is certainly true. You will be treated fast in the US system for these things. But critical care is still very very good.
Obviously other factors play into this as well, like diets, health and safety, workplace regulations, food regulations and so on. But I don't think the NHS provides poor care to those who absolutely need it. The problem is the in-betweens and things like gender care that are politicised topics.
You're also not getting lesser care if you're poor, which is a major and important factor. Nobody has "bad insurance" here.