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This is ideological illiteracy. Socialism is the transitionary stage between capitalism and communism. All communist states have been socialist states because no society has progressed far enough to reach communism.
The implication was that it is worse in communist countries.
Take China out of that data and it practically flatlines. It has not improved in capitalist countries, China is responsible for almost all of it.
If that were fucking possible under capitalism it would ALREADY BE HAPPENING. The parties presented to you under BOURGEOISE DEMOCRACY are BOURGEOISE parties. They are not parties of the people, they are parties of the bourgeoisie and the entire system is designed to maintain that. When your only options are parties of the bourgeoisie the outcome is that the winner represents the bourgeoisie.
The only solution to this problem is to overthrow the existing bourgeoise democracy and install a proletarian democracy instead, the result of which being that all the parties under the proletarian democracy represent the proletariat. This is what a socialist state is institutionally. The antithesis of a capitalist state institutionally.
You claim me to be “ideologically illiterate,” then go on to agree with me that socialism isn’t communism. That doesn’t speak well of your reading comprehension or intentions.
I didn’t make any claims about corruption. My claims are with outcomes, which I maintain are worse under communism.
Child mortality has trended down over the last century in almost every capitalist nation, not just China. Even the really corrupt African nations.
No, and this is the central argumentative failure under this dogma. Maybe people just don’t want mass redistribution? Maybe what you want isn’t what everyone else wants? Is that really so hard to accept as a possible reality? The Frankfurt School accepted this in the 1930s under the premise that “people’s lives are just too good under capitalism to ever want to move to communism.”
Two sides of the same coin. Socialists all understand that socialism is the transitionary stage between capitalism and communism.
Prove it. I cited research that shows you are wrong, you're simply ignoring the facts.
Wow one data point! Incredible. Now do deaths from starvation, lack of clean water and curable disease. 20million die per year.
Holy shit your argument is "I don't want these people to live so it's ok". Colonial brained monster.
We continue to agree: they are not the same. Particularly democratic socialism.
The cited research relied on national reported statistics in its methodology. North Korea just isn't a reliable source. Neither is China; which, by the way, is also classified as a socialist country. Further, the researchers normalised income, which radically altered the conclusion. Without doing that, the capitalist countries win by a country mile. You would have known that had you actually read the study you cited.
To defend my premise, I would like like to cite all former and current communist countries, including:
Korea, Democratic Peoples Rep. (North Korea)
Armenia
Azerbaijan
China
Georgia
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Laos, Peoples Democratic Republic
Mongolia
Nepal
Tajikistan
Tibet
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Armenia
Azerbaijan
China
Georgia
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Laos, Peoples Democratic Republic
Mongolia
Nepal
Russia
Tajikistan
Tibet
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Europe
Albania
Belarus
Bosnia & Herzegovina (Yugoslavia)
Bulgaria
Croatia (Yugoslavia)
Czech Republic (Czechoslovakia)
Estonia
Finland
Germany (German Democratic Republic)
Greece
Hungary
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia, FYR (Yugoslavia)
Moldova
Montenegro (Yugoslavia)
Poland
Romania
Serbia (Yugoslavia)
Slovakia (Czechoslovakia)
Slovenia (Yugoslavia)
Spain
Ukraine
Angola
Ethiopia
Mozambique
Colombia
Cuba
Nicaragua
Peru
Most of these countries are doing much better since eliminating communism. The data is irrefutable.
I literally cited global hunger rates. I encourage you to read my comments above to refresh your memory.
Global access to clean water has been trending up for more than a century.
Child deaths from pneumonia.
Diarrheal deaths in children.
Disease burden from communicable, maternal, neonatal & nutritional diseases.
I could do this all day, but you made the claim. Let's see some evidence that capitalist nations do worse than communist nations.
Once again, creating straw men. No one argued for killing anyone. Do you do his because your argument is weak? Does that normally work for you?
Does not exist in practice. Democratic socialists are people that believe that socialism can be achieved by winning within bourgeoise-democracy without revolution. They have been murdered by the bourgeoisie whenever they come close to that. I strongly suggest reading the Jakarta Method and also listening to Allende's last words broadcast via radio while the airforce were bombing the bridges as the US-backed coup raged around him.
Holy fucking shit you just called the US "democratic socialism"? We're done here. You are uneducated and completely out of your fucking mind and have no idea what any of these words mean. I'm not wasting my time anymore.
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