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We're gonna push King Ulfric left, any day now he'll allow the Dunmer out of the ghettos of Windhelm and the Khaijit to trade inside the walls!
'ghettoes' lmao this is blatant imperial propaganda, they have like 1/3rd of the city, stone walls, doors, lights, everything. there are 3 streets in the city and they have an entire one of them, theres like the inn and the graveyard and the blacksmiths house and the castle as the entire rest of the city, there are literally more dark elf homes than nord buildings. all of the homeless are men, not elves. and this is during a civil war in their literal revolutionary military capital. any other political power would have treated the elves worse in the same situation. even other elves would probably not let dark elf refugees shelter in their military capitals during a war in which the dark elves loyalty was in question. Ulfric will personally recruit you no matter what race you are, he literally doesn't care as long as you fight the imperialist invaders. this 'stormcloaks are racist' narrative is the most baby-brained surface level read of the situation. literally 2 guys in the city are racist, one of them homeless and mentally unwell, not any of the leadership, and the person they are harassing literally turns out to be related to an imperial spy if you look into it.
The warcry "Skyrim belongs to the Nords!" Is in itself a racist warcry that erases native Snow Elves (and Falmer) existence, as well as the pagan Reachmen of the south west (who are A: native to the Reach and B: not Nords!)
literally no faction in skyrim is on the side of the reachmen so you might as well say every faction is fascist
Oh how generous of the Nords to allow them 1 whole alley in their city where they cannot tread otherwise, whereas in Solitude any Man or Mer may walk the streets unhindered! Indeed, that you hold parts of Skyrim to be more progressive than Windhelm is such that they retain some tradition and loyalty to the Empire! To suggest the Nords are not racist is to lay bare how the Empire, after losing to the Thalmor do not treat the Altmer in such contempt as the Nords do the Dunmer for no good reason at all save Nordic Supremacy!
'1 whole alley' its literally a third of the fucking city, they have more houses than the nords do! they can travel anywhere they want! they have thicker walls and bigger houses than the high street in whiterun! and every city in skyrim bars the khajiit traders, they are literally all fences. not all khajiit, just the ones that are travelling merchants. the fact that the empire just accept the altmer's fascist rule is not an argument in their favor, but the opposite - the altmer literally want to unmake reality. every single one of them believes in the necessity of this, it is their religion and the elder scrolls series is honestly written based on some weird racial/ethnic lines
They had two choices, accept a ceasefire with some concessions so that they can build strength for the next war (this is literally just a waiting game the Imperials will win--humans breed faster than elves) or die. The Stormcloaks are being ridiculous babies and the thing they're maddest about, the enforcement of the ban on Talos worship, is something they themselves brought about. It wasn't being enforced until they started protesting about it and brought undue attention to the matter. They're just fucking idiot fascists, they don't understand the situation they're in at all and everything they do makes everything worse.
This is a fringe conspiracy theory even among lore nerds. No one in-universe believes this to be the case and even from our bird's eye view of the situation there is very little evidence of this. But even assuming you're right, the Stormcloaks are making their success in this endeavor significantly more likely.
Also I'd like to point out that saying "the altmer" want to do this is really cringe and racist. Altmer are a race, made up of individuals. They aren't a hivemind and don't have a shared set of beliefs lol It would be like saying "The asians" want to do xyz when you're talking about Vietnam or India or something.
literally, more dark elf housing with better construction than the nords have, in their own fucking city in the middle of a fucking civil war! What other nordic cities can say the same? which other nordic city accepted a third of their population to be foreign refugees? which other nords offered a third of their city to elf refugees? None of them!
The text, explicitly: "These people are restricted to a ghetto and when they dare to venture out they are openly mistreated by the extremely racist local population. Look, here's an example literally right in front of your face the moment you enter the city. Look at it. This is an oppressed population."
You, somehow: "Wow, the dark elves really got it good here!"
the example 'right in your face' literally turns out to be an imperial spy lmao, literally 2 people harassing a spy does not = a racist movement. cite another specific example and you may have a point.
i have proven to my own satisfaction that the stormcloaks are significantly less racist than any other nord city in skyrim, and i have already shown that the single instance of harassment is literally against a literal imperial spy. if you don't understand how that proves me correct about the stormcloaks being the least racist faction of the civil war beside maybe the reachmen (who kill all foreigners indiscriminately but have an excuse in being the current target of indiscriminate genocide themselves) then theres no point in further engagement
The game explicitly states that they live in a ghetto and shows you many examples of them experiencing racist persecution. There's several quests and lines of dialogue that touches on this within the game, not to mention the other clear signs of racist bs we see the Nord's exhibiting (the reachmen and the khajit being treated as they are).
It's very clear that this is what they intended to convey.
The fact that the game engine is limited to showing Extreme small cities and that the resources they had available at the time made it so they just copy-pasted houses for the dunmer rather than making a bespoke level design isn't evidence of the dunmer "actually being treated better" but instead just an example of how limitations of technology and production will at times interfere with the story one is trying to tell.
literally every faction in skyrim is racist against the khajiits, literally every khajiit merchant in the game is a fence and will buy stolen goods no questions asked. that is a kind of racism built into the game world by the writers, but the stormcloaks are not unique in that regard. every nord in skyrim basically hates elves anyway, most of them don't give them 1/3rd of their town