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I brought up blocks because the poster attempted to reframe the argument from a rural US school into a city center where one way streets are possible. I pointed out that this wasn't applicable. It was not an inner city with blocks. One way streets are not a possible solution for this rural US school.
When you replied to me, this is what you were replying to.
That quote was the only point I am trying to address. I stated that a road that did not allow two small pickup trucks to pass would not be wide enough for two school busses to pass each other.
That's it.
Why can't you have one-way streets in a rural area? Fork off the main street on one end, merge on the other. Pedestrian and bicycle traffic can be bidirectional, cars can take a little detour they don't use muscle energy.
How does that translate to "block the street for buses? If a street fits two pickups it fits two buses. They'll have to negotiate to move around each other so if you have many (which, as I told you a lot, you shouldn't) you should consider a one-way road, or maybe a meeting bay, or a wider street with choke points, or whatever. But it's not "blocking the road for buses".
Cost. That separate road means buying land from someone and turning it into road. Do they have one way roads for rural schools in Germany? Because I looked at a few Grundschule in Bavaria on Google maps and didn't see any.
He said small pickup truck such that two small pickup trucks could not pass without needing to maneuver.
A bus is .5 meters wider than a pickup truck.
It is cheaper and more convenient to have a speed camera that is active only during school hours.
You'll have a hard time finding a village with literally one single road. Certainly not one 1-2k which is the size that gets the school for the surrounding ones.
And also completely ineffective at preventing anything.Heck at least use road bumps. Narrow the road only in spots so that two monster trucks if you please fit on comfortably side by side for 50-100m or such, but then it narrows down to half that for just 5m. While you're at it build a crossing there, narrowing the roads at pedestrian crossing is standard practice in many places and it makes a hell a lot of sense. Yes, that slows down traffic because you might have to negotiate with oncoming traffic who goes first. Yes, that's precisely the point.
First hits from list on Google
Alois-Kober-Grundschule
Grundschule Niederstotzingen
Grundschule Pfaffenhofen
Grundschule Lichtenau
Grund- und Mittelschule Wittislingen
Seyfried-Schweppermann-Schule Kastl, Klosterburg 6, 92280 Kastl, Germany
All located off a main road in the same style as US schools. Just like US schools, many have their own driveway that goes off the main road to the front of the school. (In the US this school driveway is one way.) It's the main road that has the speed camera for US schools. It is the main road that the original poster I replied to suggested making impassable to two way bus traffic.
That's not on a main road. Zoom out a bit, the main roads are the ones leading to other villages, named after those villages (or in the case of Ulm a city in that direction).
neither
Didn't check the rest
Those are residential roads. This a view of the Niederstotzingen school from the road it's on, the gymnasium is on the other side. Look up and down the road, there's residential buildings there. Looking at the signage (or rather lack thereof), it's two-way. No lane markings though small roads just don't have them, you slow down and make sure to not shear off your side mirrors with the side mirrors of oncoming traffic. The little shack with a sign with an H is a bus stop. Only seems to be served by one bus line (at least I can't find more), here's the schelude. It connects to two train stations (including thie Niederstotzingen one) roughly every 30 minutes. Frankly speaking you can walk from there you'll be faster than waiting for the next bus.
Niederstotzingen is classed as a city btw, almost 5k inhabitants. It's not really a size thing in Germany though and nowadays the title doesn't have any legal meaning, city rights were granted by Kaiser Sigismund in 1430, meaning it served as the local trade hub or such. Congratulations, thanks to wikipedia I know now more about a tiny city I don't care about in a state I don't care for :)
Is Bergstrabe one way? Does it connect to more than just the school? That's a main road. Does it have speed bumps? It is not a highway which was mentioned in the first reply when someone asked if US schools are on a highway.
There are residential houses on the same road as American rural schools. Look at the map of Comer elementary which is what this entire thread is about.
No it isn't:
And yes you also see residential buildings on main roads. The reason this is a residential and not main road is due to its size and position away from through-traffic. It's a road where you have a quick look and then just cross, main roads are of the "eh I can look but I probably need to get to a crossing to get across" territory.
And no there's no speed bumps why would there if the road is narrow enough and people naturally drive slow enough, there's no through traffic, the residents don't race on it, etc.
If you want to use the definition of a main road being one that goes directly from one town to another that's fine. In the US that's called a highway.
No matter what you call it, the larger road that goes near a school is the same in Germany and the US. Both have two way traffic.
Given that it is residential that connects to two other roads, it has through traffic. It would need to be a dead end to not have through traffic. The road isn't so narrow that busses can't pass each other. It's why I linked one school that has a labeled public bus stop.