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[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 194 points 11 months ago

Shouldnt have exited from the EU ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[-] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 136 points 11 months ago
[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 127 points 11 months ago

One thing I've learned living in a conservative state in the US is that everything is my fault by proxy

I should just be rich enough to move, how hard can it be

[-] TIMMAY@lemmy.world 54 points 11 months ago

I really wish this was a joke but it fucking isnt.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 11 months ago

"We should just build a wall around your state and force it to secede. All the LGBT+ and POC should relocate immediately because it's not safe to live there."

"What about all the people who can't afford to move? What about all the people living on tribal land?"

"Oh, them? Hmmm. They should move, too. Again."

The fact is, right-wing extremism shouldn't be tolerated anywhere. Putting all the fascists "on an island" doesn't fix anything because there will always be children and other people who never asked to be there, yet have to suffer.

[-] daltotron@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

what if we just put them all on an island and then blew it up immediately

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

That might work

[-] uis@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago
[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

People of color

[-] GhostFence@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Yes but look at the alternative: a country united under far right rule. We suffered for 4 years of that and are looking at another 4 years of it if the dumbass anti-Biden memes are taken seriously by enough sheeple.

[-] msage@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago

But there's millions of them.

Even if we don't tolerate them, what should we do with them?

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago

Diffuse sanctions, with exile being used in extreme cases

But remember that hierarchical systems and states will always devolve into fascism given time, and the number of people calling for fascism would greatly decrease, given a different system

[-] msage@programming.dev 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah, let's make Texas into a communist heaven!

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

My friends from Texas would strongly approve

[-] msage@programming.dev 4 points 11 months ago

We need more like them. A lot more.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

Some of the right-wingers are just heavily propagandized ignoramuses

If we can educate them...

[-] uis@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Texas kolhoz. They already do kolhozing(and call it redneck engieneering).

[-] GhostFence@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Deport them. IDGAF about the consequences.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 27 points 11 months ago

Have you just tried having more money?

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 11 months ago

Just ask daddy for a loan smh

[-] uis@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Huh. Welcome to "you should have been rich adult" club. I'm not alone in such shit.

[-] GhostFence@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Stop being poor, dang it!

20 minutes into the future: "Poverty comes from poor character".

Also look up "prosperity gospel". Clive Barker has nothing on that.

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[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 68 points 11 months ago

Oh my God that was 8 years ago what the fuck

[-] Ross_audio@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Time to start the rejoin in only another 10 years or so I think. We'll be voting on single market membership again before the decade is out I think.

[-] tobbue@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago

It's incredible how that decision fucked the country for decades. One of the best examples why "direct democracy" does not guarantee good decisions just because it was the people's choice.

[-] Ross_audio@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

It wasn't direct democracy though.

No member of the public ever voted on the legislation.

If the legislation has been put to the public and the referendum bound it to law I think it would have gone differently.

The vote relied people voting for their own version of Brexit vs. the status quo.

I'm not a fan of direct democracy by any means but Brexit isn't an example of it.

[-] tobbue@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago

Ah, okay, so the referendum was just more like a consultation whether brexit should happen, but the badly done legislation came afterwards (which people probably wouldn't have voted for)?

[-] Ross_audio@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Exactly.

People were simultaneously told different things by different people on what would happen of the country voted leave. A lot of it obviously false even at the time.

People might have known what they were voting for. But what they were voting for had no basis on what the government would actually do.

Then we had the prime minister who held the referendum resign.

A new prime minister is chosen in a private election amongst members of the conservative party (about 100,000 votes will do it normally but no one actually runs against them). This becomes a theme.

There is legislation passed which essentially puts a clock on the process. If nothing passes we'd just revoke laws and break treaties.

This was meant to scare the EU into giving us what we wanted. The EU was not overly concerned.

The government put some very shoddy legislation together. We got a pretty poor deal from the EU, well we were pretty desperate.

The government couldn't pass that legislation

We had an election for a new government

The government lost seats and lost their majority

The government then joined with a religious extremist party in Northern Ireland to give them a majority.

The shoddy legislation becomes not only shoddy but also more extreme, It still can't pass.

The prime minister is ousted by their own party.

We get a new prime minister.

They still haven't decided on the legislation but they tell everyone what they want to hear.

We have an election

The government gets a big working majority

The shoddy extreme legislation, which we now know from first hand accounts the prime minister didn't understand, still can't pass.

The government literally breaks the law and closes parliament illegally to try and run the clock closer to the point where we take a bonfire to massive ammous of legislation.

The government are then forced back into the house by the courts

Eventually at the last moment a deal is passed. It's really bad for the UK economy, and the UK in general.

The UK leaves the EU. Northern Ireland doesn't. Well it sort of does.

COVID and Another 2 prime ministers later and Brexit deals are still being negotiated.

Essentially he EU has everything it needs. It's protected the interests of bordering nations like the Republic of Ireland and France. The UK has increased friction on trade, labour issues.

The current big issue is that France no longer helps us stop people crossing the channel. That was an EU agreement. So our government, now spends it's time and energy trying to deport people to Rwanda, breaking the entirely separate European Convention on Human Rights Churchill's government basically wrote and passed after the second world war.

It's worth noting that this government has had a vote share of 36.1% pre referendum in 2015 36.9% post referendum in 2017 42.4% post deadlock in 2019 (with the opposition getting 40%)

The conservative party got that lock in 2019 on 55% of the seats with 42.4% of the vote

Since then they've rotated people in and out of government to essentially do the bidding of the one who pays the most into their individual campaign funds against each other.

The government refuse to allow an election even while they're essentially changing constantly.

We haven't really got democracy in this country. We disenfranchise a lot of people through our electoral system by design. We concentrate power to a minority.

It's a mess.

[-] CAVOK@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Brexit

To be fair to the French, they do try to stop the boats. For example: https://www.thelocal.fr/20230902/tighter-french-coast-patrols-in-place-to-stop-channel-migrants

However what went missing after Brexit was the Dublin convention where migrants could be turned back to the first EU country they entered, in this case France.

I think the government tried to negotiate a returns agreement with the french who basically just said "Non!" and that was it. There is a deal where the UK pays France to patrol their coastline and stop migrants however. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong about this last part.

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Okay, but it was only finalized in 2020. That's probably why it feels like it hasn't been that long.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

"You haven't had a date since Brexit" was a funny burn I ehard once I remembered how long ago that was.

[-] kylian0087@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

We are getting old eh?

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[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago
[-] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 19 points 11 months ago

I will as soon as the opportunity presents itself.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Every single election.

[-] xavier666@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago

When I was your age, I was already 15

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 months ago

Congratulations you made everyone feel old

[-] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 3 points 11 months ago

Excuses excuses.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

I meant this comment more in regards to your lovely voting peers in the country you have to reside in.

Wish you best of luck rejoining the EU!

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Reee kids get out

[-] Vex_Detrause@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago
[-] uis@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Can Russia? Asking for a friend. Obviously Putin relocates to Hauge.

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