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Biden says he'll shut down the border if deal gives him authority
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Maintain infrastructure, pay for roads that can handle the traffic, pay for public schools that can handle the masses, pay for enough fire fighters and trucks, shit like that, and ramp up in the time frame of 3 years
That's what taxes are for. Which undocumented immigrants pay.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-immigrants-taxes-rent-vaccine-requirements-983035929946
I'm having a hard time believing that undocumented immigrants pay all their taxes. You can say they pay some for sure, since there's no way they don't pay sales tax and such. Wouldn't undocumented immigrants not have to pay the largest tax most folks have to pay, though, since they likely wouldn't be paying income tax? I suppose if they once held a work visa or whatever, and had it expire, and they never relocated or changed jobs somehow, they'd still be paying their income tax, but I feel like that'd be rare, unless workplaces have no idea when your visa expires, and isn't required to fire you when they find out.
I wish that article wasn't about some random twitter post, and had more information in it. Maybe then they would have explained this. I would have assumed the tweet was BS the moment they said those folks don't have to pay rent. Like... where did the person who believed that tweet think those fellas lived?
Their taxes are taken out of their paychecks like everyone else. They just don't get refunds and they don't get to apply for social security or medicare or, in most states, even medicaid. That means that they get very little back for what they give.
And if you have a problem with people not paying their fair share of taxes, start with Elon Musk, not some guy who's picking fruit.
You're assuming they receive paychecks at all, though. All undocumented immigrants I've known the situations of in my time (which is very few mind you, so it's possible that this is not the norm) got paid in cash for the work they did, instead of getting a check. And I find it unlikely that the business or person paying them in cash under the table would have gone and paid their income tax for them and announced "These are the taxes the illegal immigrants I hire are paying!" and I even more doubt that the folks who received the funds paid their income tax on their own, since their employers were already playing on their fears of being discovered by the government to pay them lower wages than the market would normally accept (I want to say it was below the federal minimum at the time).
While I agree that we should totally be getting more taxes from rich folks. It's not really relevant to the current discussion about the taxes paid by undocumented immigrants. That said, I'm not super concerned about undocumented immigrants paying income tax, since it's really the fellas who employ them that are the problem. I was only mentioning it because I was curious as to how true what that article was saying really was, since it did not match my experiences.
The first article I linked to shows they do indeed pay payroll taxes. So your personal anecdote does not trump the numbers.
Dang bro, you're right. I mistakenly assumed the article was over at the section where they presented me with other articles to read, since it didn't make sense for them to show me that if the article I was reading continued. So from my perspective the article was basically "They pay taxes, we promise.". They even used language that seemed to close out the article to me before that section by saying "More importantly, the claims about taxes, housing costs and immunizations are false." and not elaborating further.
I wouldn't have even made my first comment had I seen the section below, since they answered exactly the questions I was asking. Haha. I was about to roll in here and ask if we had even looked at the same article, before I gave it a second look. I guess in the end, we hadn't.
This whole ITIN thing is interesting, I've seen the fields for it in the past, but never really thought about it too much since I always assumed it was for people who are in like... a transitional period of their immigration of sorts, not for fellas who aren't supposed to be working. The article that the article linked about ITINs makes it sound like you can even get your tax return with it. That's crazy, but it makes sense.
To add a different anecdotal perspective for you: I live in Texas and work in the construction industry. I work alongside undocumented workers every single day. Jump in the truck "Home Depot Handymen" exist but they are not nearly as prevalent as you seem to believe.
What most of the guys are doing is getting their hands on some form of fake documentation. Employers are obliged to look the other way until it becomes a problem and so the worker is pretty much employed the same as anyone else. They receive benefits, they pay taxes, they work longer hours than anyone else.
Like I said in my comment, I've met very few undocumented immigrants. And realistically, if they can perform a job as a normal person, and pay taxes like a normal person, then even if I have met more, I likely never knew, because why would you go around telling folks about your situation in that case. That'd be a good way to blow your cover. And it's not like I'm going to ask about their experience immigrating, since that's not really a subject that's appropriate to approach with people you don't know.
I live in the middle of nowhere, so my experience is likely vastly different from all y'all's. So it's nice to hear your perspectives. Thanks for sharing.
The vast, overwhelming majority, of undocumented immigrants I know, and I know a lot in my trade, receive a paycheck just like everyone else. And yes, payroll taxes are deducted from that check, just like everyone else's.
Yeah, I learned all about ITINs and other ways that these folks can get real jobs and pay taxes a few hours ago. It was quite an interesting read.
They pay sales taxes, sure. But they don't pay income or property taxes, not without an SSN. (Texas does not have an income tax, but has property taxes. The Feds have an income tax. Don't be pedantic)
Sorry... so you're blaming immigrants for the fact that Texas' tax regulations are severely fucked up?
Maybe Texas shouldn't cater so much of their tax code to rich people? Shouldn't that be the issue?
How is having property tax but not income tax fucked up? How does it cater to rich people, any more than having income tax?
https://www.chron.com/politics/article/Texas-income-tax-property-laws-business-owners-16610385.php
https://news.bloombergtax.com/tax-insights-and-commentary/texas-wealth-tax-ban-was-a-mistake-other-states-shouldnt-repeat
https://itep.org/whopays/texas/
But sure, it's immigrants that are the tax burden.
Odd that there was no response to this.
How exactly are you proposing that these people don't pay property tax?
I would also wager that the amount of unreported tip income is just as large a problem as undocumented workers from a tax standpoint.
Undocumented immigrants pay income tax if they use someone else's SSN or even without an SSN by using an ITIN
So you're suggesting that illegal immigrants should steal identities to pay taxes?
No bud, we're suggesting that they already do, because they're given no other option.
Given no other option because they illegally immigrated
No, he's suggesting that your original statement (the one actually being discussed) is wrong. No one suggested that immigrants SHOULD do anything, especially identity theft. Your whataboutism has no power here. Stop embarrassing yourself.
What the fuck are you even talking about? Taxes pay for all of those things. They don't just crumble to dust in the proximity of non-citizens.
They just want to have a lame excuse to be racist. That's all this is.