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All the spies who gave information on nuclear weapons to the Soviets were unsung heroes. Just imagine what that whole period would've been like with an extremely aggressive if the USSR hadn't developed nukes as soon as possible.
The Soviets didn’t need nor did they really benefited from the leaked intelligence.
Beria who oversaw the Soviet atomic bomb project (ENORMOZ) was too paranoid that he used the intelligence and played it off as “hey, we got some data here from the other institutes, can you check for us and see if they’re correct?”
Essentially, just to double check for confirmation, but the Soviets were already on the right track and they would have gotten the bomb without delay, with or without the leaked intelligence.
Sometimes people underestimated the Soviet Union. They pretty much started the space program from scratch (with some help from German scientists from adjacent fields) while the Americans got the full package of the Nazi V-2 team, the entire leadership, intact rockets, full documentation, launch vehicles and entire support crew, and still lost to the Soviet Union in launching the world’s first ICBM.
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Having data to cross reference is a big deal idk how you could actually believe that's not a benefit
I hate to quote reddit but this post on r/askhistorian answered by Alex Wellerstein, a historian who wrote a book on the US nuclear secrecy, had a detailed answer:
At the same time, those scientists didn't know that and still risked everything to ensure the soviets got their information.
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you're making some argument about whether or not it was a benefit reducing time to completion, I am saying it is a benefit because that is literally how science works
that's called peer review dawg, which you can't do with nothing to review
I thought Molotov was entrusted to oversee the R&D of the Soviet Nuclear project, or at least I remember reading that in his memoir or something along those lines
The list of people who comprised Special Committee No. 1 (Atomic Weapons) formed on 20 August 1945:
Together with Special Committee No. 2 (Reactive Technologies) and No. 3 (Radar Council) were the three Special Committees formed under Stalin immediately after the war to achieve fundamental breakthrough in new weapon technologies.
I'll have to reexamine where I heard my stuff, I may have just confused Molotov with Malenkov.
Just want to add that Russian rocket experimentation actually predates the Soviet Union by a decade or so. IMO if the Soviets had prioritized them, they could have had V2-sized rockets before the Germans (but not prioritizing them was the right move, considering how useless the V2s ended up being in the grand scheme of things).
Not by that much. Quote from Boris Chertok’s Rockets and People, Vol. 1:
But you are correct in that not prioritizing them was the right move. The Soviets prioritized on solid fuel rockets and the result was the Katyushas that wreaked havoc on the German army. Focusing on developing V-2 like rockets would have been useless fighting against Nazi Germany.
America as the sole nuclear power.. there would have been a lot more usage of nuclear arms.
Afaik the Cold War was really a war between air force generals who wanted to kill every human being on the planet and slightly less monstrous Americans who thought that inciting a nuclear war would be a bad thing.
It’s kind of wild how the US Air Force is heavily evangelical.
Totally bonkers. A literal doomsday cult full of solipsistic fascist and they've got nukes.
A world where the bourgeoisie are the sole owners of nuclear power. I can only imagine.
It’s actually kind of wild that those in control of the nuclear NATO countries aren’t trying to get every nuclear armed country with range into an alliance (China, Russia, mainly)
As the main blocker of nuclear weapons usage is someone else with nukes will be mad.
Imperial Japan was getting shipments of Uranium from Germany, and they had a nuclear research base which was fully taken over by the Soviets
There's a chance that some of the technology that went into the Soviet nuclear arsenal, and by extension every subsequent arsenal except for US/Eng/France, was Japanese