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Could Taylor Swift tilt Florida blue? It’s Democrats’ wildest dream.
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I'm not exactly a fan of Biden, but he's on the ballot for two reasons:
In lower offices maybe, but since 1980 (Carter) we've only had 4/7 incumbents reelected. People may talk about how Carter/Bush/Trump all had something uniquely terrible that caused them to lose their reelection, but Biden's got a 38% approval rating, is tied to an unpopular foreign war, and has record low numbers with critical voting blocs. He's not riding high and doing fine.
And yet I'll still go out and vote against Trump instead of staying home in november.
You realize the DNC went into overdrive to kill the primary this election cycle, right?
Reordering states to favor Biden, keeping candidates off ballots, and some state Democratic parties even effectively cancelled their presidential primary.
Now, if you only consume mainstream media sources, it wouldn't be surprising that you weren't aware, as they have been mostly ignoring it.
Biden wasn’t even on the ballot in NH and easily won via write ins. Presidential incumbents who seek the nomination of their win primaries. Without exception. Always. Biden might not be popular, but he’s much much more popular than anyone who even imagined running an opposition.
And? Just because I am not a fan of how the democratic party is run doesn't mean I'm not going to vote for them.
There are a lot of problems... But this argument is awfully close to apologetics for Trump.
Maybe you missed the part where I was responding to another comment that casually mentioned there's no other viable Democratic candidates.
Stating objective facts isn't an argument, they're just facts. The DNC did those things, and worse. It's not up for debate, and there was no point being argued.
It sounds like you believe anyone saying anything critical of the DNC, is actually secretly a Trump supporter, or Trump apologist?
Well... golly gee, you got me there. Good work!
Keep it up, and don't worry, there's definitely no way that approach to political discourse will ever spectacularly backfire on you.
Again. And?
It still sounds like you are one of those "it's broken so don't vote" assholes.
Twice now you've invented positions for me, based off nothing that I've actually said i.e. straw man.
Lame dork.
See. This is the big where your argument seems insincere.
The only one who seems insincere is you since you keep making shit about this person
I haven't made up shit. I stated what it looked like and they failed to repudiate it followed by calling me names.
What argument????
Please, tell me what I've actually said that qualifies as an argument.
Not what you've imagined or mystically determined using tea leaves or tarot cards, but my actual words.
Exactly. The points you put together made no argument. I asked "so what?" And indicated that the points as presented appear to be the same points people use/put together to say: "so don't vote." / are used by the same group of people who are trying to disenfranchise or discourage voting. This is a common propaganda technique.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Ossoff
That guy's 36, but ran the most funded US Senate campaign in America's history.
So he's got the money neoliberals say they care about.
He was an investigative journalist going after corruption, his positions line up with what Dem voters want...
And he's really popular with gen z voters.
Why not him if all that matters is "not trump"?
The most funded in America's history isn't because of him; it was because it was a special election with the entire nation pouring money in for the sake of winning a Senate majority. It could've been Joe Manchin and the same outcome would've happened. That's not a reflection of Jon's campaign prowess.
Did someone stop him from putting his hat in the ring? Because otherwise, I think the problem is that he doesn't want to run in Biden's place and I don't know that voting for someone who isn't running in the first place is an especially good strategy to beat Trump.
The issue is no one wants to challenge Biden, not that no one would want to run in his place. Biden shouldn't have run for reelection, but if he doesn't step aside a challenge is likely to just blow up the party (at least unless Biden has some major senior movement that causes people to abandon him en masse). But that's an actuarial gamble, and if it doesn't happen you've got a split party and a weakened candidate. We're seeing the in Republican party how well challenging the presumptive nominee goes when you're simultaneously not trying to say anything remotely negative about him.
That doesn't really change the fact that he has expressed no interest in running. For whatever reason.
Expressing an interest in running is challenging Biden, they're the same thing.
Dens also spent a ton of money getting him into the senate majority. They’d have to risk doing that again if he left to be president (not that they couldn’t, but it could be pressure against running).
The real problem is that most of the people smart enough to run, are too smart to want to be president.
Ossoff would be great. I'd also be up for Jeff Jackson, who has a pretty solid social media following due to his "I'm a newcomer in Washington, here's what it's like" videos.
I don't know why people act like there aren't other options.
Biden himself literally said he could think of 50 other Dems who could beat trump.
Because they aren't running?
I will pour my heart, soul and life savings into an AOC for president campaign as soon as she decides she's ready.
I said I'd vote for her as Prez and pretty much all of my coworkers (Trump suckers) nearly had heart attacks.
You'd be moving that advantage to 2028 most likely. It sure would be amazing to get 12 years of democratic presidents.
Maybe they could have held a preliminary contest to pick a candidate.
I would love to see President Elizabeth Warren
I respect Warren a lot, but she's 74 and I'd really like to see a US president who isn't well past retirement age.
Omg is she really? She doesn’t look that old to me I wouldn’t have guessed. Is she single? What’s her story? Asking for a friend
Would you believe she also doesn't drink caffeine? There are some people who just have unbelievable amounts of energy.
Well, Warren is the one person I’d like to see in office right now. I don’t like Biden. I hate that he is running for reelection. I only voted Biden because I would vote a steaming bucket of literally dog poo over Trump.
I really, really hate our two party FPTP system but I realized in 2016 that third party is a waste. I just want someone I’m excited to vote for and not someone I’m voting for because it’s not Trump.
Polling indicates among democrat voters that LITERALLY ANY OTHER DEMOCRAT IS PREFERRED OVER BIDEN.
It’s so bad that next presidential election (if we have one) the democrat can candidate can say “at least I’m not Biden” and probably win on that alone. That’s basically all Biden is doing.
"Among Democrat Voters" doesn't mean shit. They're going to vote democrat anyways. Doesn't matter who you put on that ticket, they'll vote it if it has a D next to the name. So why try to make them more happy by swapping out the candidates, when doing so would lose you swing-voters? Swing-voters are what win elections.
Swing voters haven't won a presidential election in years now. I can't believe people still subscribe to these outdated strategies. Winning the presidency is all about turnout now
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abe3272
https://news.yale.edu/2021/04/21/swing-vote-trumped-turnout-2016-election
Here are some well-researched counter-arguments to your claim that say you're wrong.
No, not really. Getting your base to actually vote is a much bigger factor.
https://news.yale.edu/2021/04/21/swing-vote-trumped-turnout-2016-election
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abe3272
My sources say otherwise.
Whatever dude. Stop watching cable news. It’s not a good look. Only the polls you are winning are important lmao
I haven't watched TV for 20 years my dude, stop with the needless personal attacks.
You have to be incredibly popular as a named candidate to beat an unnamed candidate.
I wish I knew what sound and Ostrich makes because I would make that sound right now.
Keep your head in the sand bro. No fascists here! It’s all good.
Go take your meds.