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Can we have a burning israeli flag emoji? I agree with the guy before and i dont care about anyones feelings on it now
It's been talked about, mods don't want a burning star of David.
I agree with you though.
Pure cowardice. We have several emojis of flags burning that have a cross on them. So clearly we're okay with burning religious symbols. Are we just afraid of being called antisemites? Zionists are going to call us that anyway.
Japanese flag could also be considered a religious symbol
edit: furthermore, something else that has annoyed me but maybe someone can explain: why do we have a Philippines burning flag emoji? They have an ongoing communist insurgency - surely this would be the place where we do something like we've done with India and have (unfortunately) done with Israel and find another flag/group to direct our hate towards?
We have a Russia burning flag despite them being on the forefront of the anti-imperialist front and allied to AES. It’s pathetic that we have that and not the genocidal settler state of Israel. Pitiful
Korean flag also, it's literally semi-Taoist.
I don't think we have a burning south korea flag though
Acceptance of Zionist narratives conflating Israel with Judaism. Pathetic. Every real resistance member burns Zionist flags without issue
I disagree with mods now dont let zionist hide behind fascist
I am vindicated eternally
I never disagreed with you, i was just trying to be nice to our jewish comrades but they gotta take one for the team fuck zionism
Jewish comrades also burn the Zionist rag
If seeing the symbol of colonization and genocide destroyed brings you discomfort you need to work on yourself to disassociate Judaism from Israel/Zionism, because that means you subconsciously conflate them and have given into Zionist brainworms
No, the issue was clearly expressed to be the burning of the Star of David within the flag. "Zionist brainworms" fuck off.
Otherwise stated: Zionists put a Star of David there to shield themselves from criticism and attack, and you are agreeing with them and their conflation that it is a valid shield. You agree that burning a Zionist flag is anti-Semitic, which means you have buckled to their logic and given in to their narrative
I am filled with joy and hope when I see the Zionist rag in flames. If that makes you instead fearful and sad, that’s a you problem not a me problem because you have let Zionists colonize your mind
No I am not, and I am not agreeing that burning the Zionist flag is antisemitic. What I'm saying is that the imagery of burning the Star of David itself on an emote being uncomfortable to some Jewish users does not mean they have "Zionist brainworms." You can't completely disassociate when it's the exact same symbol.
You have to realize how twisted and incoherent your logic is, doing mental gymnastics to defend an indefensible mod decision made on a whim.
This is a burning cross, a Christian symbol. Why does Israel receive special protections for their symbols that nobody else does? Because there is a partial acceptance of Zionist exceptionalism.
Your dishonest summary is definitely twisted. I never said the image was antisemitic, I said shaming Jewish users for being uncomfortable with the image of the burning of the Star of David and saying they have "Zionist brainworms" is wrong since it's the same exact symbol regardless of context, and again I don't think it's wrong to burn the flag of Israel as protest against the Zionist regime. The mod decision was supported by comments by several Jewish users expressing their discomfort with the image being made into an emote, so hardly made "on a whim."
Only person being dishonest and squirrellly here is you. “It’s not antisemitic but we won’t do it because Jews feel uncomfortable” nonsense doesn’t make any sense. It’s either anti-Semitic or not. If it is not anti-Semitic certain people arbitrarily feeling “uncomfortable” doesn’t matter and shouldn’t even be discussed, it’s not relevant.
Jews at Harvard are made uncomfortable by pro-Palestine rallies and “to the river from the sea”. Should they be stopped? It’s the same logic in microcosm. This entire argument is literally verbatim the “to the river from the sea” discourse regurgitated.
It’s hilarious that libs on hexbear begin reproducing Zionist narratives all on their own.
Not reproducing Zionist narratives, and the Harvard comparison is so weasley; you are so dishonest it's absurd. The whole point of the original discussion was you shaming Jewish users for being uncomfortable with the imagery, now it doesn't matter and shouldn't be discussed. Fine, I guess I'm talking to a different person.
The burning Zionist flag should be added alongside the burning Russian flag and American flag and UK flag. As long as it isn’t there, the hypocrisy of mods should be mentioned and any BS Zionist-parallel arguments about “feelings” should be ignored
The Harvard example is perfectly apt. You are attempting to use “Jews feel uncomfortable” to shut down speech and retreat from principles, to enforce a double standard and exception for Israel that nobody else on Earth gets. You are implying it is anti-Semitic but when pressed dodge and just say it’s just a bad vibe or something. If it’s just a bad vibe and not actually anti-Semitic, then just add it and be done because a lot of users here actually think it’s a very good vibe (which is why the subject keeps coming up again, because it’s an open wound of hypocrisy that flares up whenever Israel does something particularly heinous)
It’s hilarious that again, you are recreating Zionist methods of word games and “Jewish feelings” to prop up your bullshit special exemptions. It’s amazing how you don’t see how you are just Alan Dershowitz right now
You are so unbelievably dishonest accusing me of being identical to Alan Dershowitz. I never tried to shut down speech, nor campaign for the alterations made to the burning flag emote. The whole thing started because you said Jewish people who felt uncomfortable with seeing the Star of David burned (whether on the Israeli flag or not, it’s the same symbol) had “Zionist brainworms.” I clarified multiple times that I don’t think it’s necessarily antisemitic to burn the flag of Israel, my problem was only on this “Zionist brainworms” point. The Harvard example is not “perfectly apt,” it shows you can’t even keep track of what you’re talking about, as if I was campaigning that something should be removed because Jewish people were upset rather than arguing if this particular issue constituted “Zionist brainworms” and deserved condescension. YOU brought it up to be discussed, and then got mad at me for replying on that point since it “doesn’t matter.”
With regards to the Christian example, you have to be kidding. You must know the history of Jewish repression and the relation of religion to ethnicity is completely different.
To actually make an argument on the side of the censor (which I wasn’t before), you yourself said the Star of David was a shield and that Israel does not represent the Jewish people. Isn’t it more powerful to tear the symbol from their hands, as has been done? It’s been replaced with something else but it still represents Israel and everyone understands this.
Here’s where your whole shit falls apart and your blatant charlatanism is laid outright. We are talking specifically and only about burning the Israeli flag. We aren’t discussing any other versions of burning the Star of David. A burning Star of David in other contexts is certainly cause for alarm, but not in this one because it’s a symbol of anti-Zionism and anti-Israel, not anti-Judaism. That one sentence literally destroys any point you think you had, exposing you for rhetorical tricks and Zionist pseud arguments conflating the two. We circle back around to you implicitly accepting the Zionist framing that Judaism = Israel.
I'm Muslim and Muslims are currently under more threat and genocidal pressure than Jews or Christians are, with millions being killed or displaced in recent decades. I would be fine with a burning Turkish flag emoji despite the Muslim symbolism because I don't believe Turkey = Islam, because I haven't internalized Turkish narratives. That's the difference
You're just continuing after I pointed out multiple terrible/dishonest arguments you made?
Oh my god do you not get it? I know, I'm saying it is still the Star of David. Which is it? Is it that the Zionist state lays the guise of representing Judaism as a shield and adopts symbols representing religion/culture as a farce, or is it that this is completely disconnected? If it's the former, why do you have an issue with replacing the symbol they're appropriating/desecrating in the image, and so not allowing it to be spit on further? No, it's not antisemitism to burn the Israeli flag in resistance to Zionist colonialism, but it's also not "Zionist brainworms" for a Jewish person to be uncomfortable with the burning of the Star of David even within the Israeli flag.
Disengage
It does though.
No offense but I don't think is for non-Jewish hexbear users to decide
Oh fuck off with this, by this logic non-Jews also cannot criticize Israel at all because you are aware the mainstream position is that any criticism of Zionism is anti-Semitic and only Jews can do it. You agree with the position of CNN on this 😂 it’s frankly an absurd position to hold that Israel should be abolished but the symbol of Israel is sacred and deserves protections from non-Jews.
I’m a Muslim hexbear and I think every Zionist flag on earth should be destroyed and desecrated, just like Israel should be destroyed.
Deal with it and ban me for being anti-Semitic if you think otherwise, just know that Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis all agree with me not you.
This not enough for you? You really gotta have the star of david on there? Why is this something you are so hung up on?
That’s not the flag of Israel. Why are you so hung up on living in a fantasy world and not the real one?
I am living in the real world doing actual organizing work where nobody knows about this place or gives a fuck whether or not we have a burning Israel flag emoji.
The fact is that some users here expressed discomfort with having an image of a burning star of david in any form and we honored that.
Nobody is stopping you from saying death to israel or redacted the Zionists.
The touch grass emoji makes me uncomfortable and feel bad. Remove it now. Or do my Muslim and Disabled feelings not matter to you as much as Jewish feelings?
You buckle to incoherent unprincipled emotional demands, so do it. Or are you going to enforce yet another hypocritical double standard?
It’s always amusing to find patsocs here. Enjoy your stay. See you again on your next account
BuRnInG ZiOniSt fLaG mAkEs YoU a PaTsOc
Everyone in your responses getting hung up about not having a specific burning flag emoji needs to go outside. There are other ways to express your hatred for Israel. Some of which actually can accomplish something, which arguing about emojis won't.
When your only response is “this doesn’t matter” you have just accepted defeat rhetorically and want to move on to something else.
If it “doesn’t matter” so much just add the damn flag (or remove the other burning flags) so it stops being a constant struggle session of bad pseudo-zionist arguments to defend mod hypocrisy.
Not having the emoji is a minor grievance, but the users justifying it are the big problem - they are just spouting Zionist narratives about how we need to defer everything to Jewish Feelings and other principles and consistency doesn’t matter. Their folding in one place is symbolic of their folding to that narrative overall.
It’s a bigger issue overall for me because the implication of actively continuing to exclude it is that the official position of this forum is that Ansarallah, Hezbollah and the Palestinian resistance are anti-Semitic for burning Israel flags. They aren’t. It is the mods who are wrong, not the axis of resistance.
Holy shit go outside. I didn't even ping you. What are you doing, sitting around refreshing this thread looking for people to argue with?
Having the option for a burning star of David emoji risks making nazis feel comfortable posting on this website. Avoiding nazis feeling comfortable on your website is the first job of internet moderators. This is not a problem for the Palestinian resistance, who are not trying to run a website, are not in danger of nazis feeling comfortable on their website, and have bigger problems to deal with than nazis feeling comfortable on their website.
Elsewhere in this thread, you tried to say
should be disallowed under the same logic, because the cross is also a religious symbol. This is an absurd false equivalence - Christians are not under threat, Jews are. This is the same rhetoric that people use when trying to say racism against whites is a problem.
we have historically had very reactionary people post here for long periods of time before a struggle session revealed the one thing they couldn’t get over not being able to say/do
This is argument doesn't make sense to me. We frequently call for fascists, and people who hold some of the beliefs nazis do (racists, transphobes, etc) to be killed. We support the exact opposite countries they do. We have mandatory pronoun tags ffs.
We already say death to Israel and death to zionists. If nazis misinterpreted that as being against Jewish people (and ignored everything else we post), they'd already be here.
Lmao are Nazis going to show up at Ansarallah rallies too because the burning Zionist rag makes them feel welcome? This is just pure stupidity and you are echoing Zionist arguments. Your “go outside” and “logout” and “touch grass” shit isn’t an argument it’s an admission that you know you are wrong and repeating Alan Dershowitz’s argument on why we can’t say “from the river to sea”. You don’t want to make the full throated argument that burning Zionist rags are anti-Semitic because you know you will sound like CNN so you resort to this petty meta-insulting
So does it matter or not? If its not a big deal, who cares