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Technically we need to stay in Daylight Savings Time. I.e. what we have now with more light in the evening. We just came from standard time: more light in the morning. We just need to stop changing now.
The sun rising even later in the winter is far worse than rising earlier in the summer. It is also giving in to the idea that 'business hours', which are lopsided to after noon, needing to drive everyone's clocks instead of the sun.
9 to 5 or 8 to 5 business hours are the problem. Just make business hours an even 8 to 4 and you have the exact same evening hours as DST but mornings are not any later in the winter than they are with standard time.
You can't change business hours like that. It would require a lot more of a law to mandate anything of the sort.
I want more evening daylight so I can actually do things after I'm done with work. Changing to DST would make that easier. IDGAF about morning light. Others may want the opposite but I guess they are morning people.
"You can't change business hours like that"
Businesses set their hours however they want, they're private.
Businesses can just change their own hours. Wherever they want. Doesn't require a law or anything.
All the government has to do is do away with daylight savings, and you can negotiate with your boss for better start/end times for your personal needs.
If you're a morning person, you don't mind rising earlier, so DST is what you'd want. I'm an evening person, and I find it terrible to wake up at 6:30 while my biological clock says it's only 5:30.
You can't write laws for businesses, just for everyone else?
You do know that DST happens in the summer, right?
Yeah, I don't really understand the concept of needing to save daylight hours during the time of the longest amounts of daylight per day.
Yes. You cannot get a law through Congress that saws all office businesses change their start times. There isn't a law mandating that now, it's just convention. The very idea you can make sweeping changes like that without major pushback is silly.
Yes. But in Summer you have MORE light all the time. You don't have an issue with late sunrise and early sunset in the summer. You have that in winter. And my position is I'd like more sunlight in the evening rather than the morning. That's it.
I think we're the seeing the difference in location in the comments lol. People that don't live with 0 sunlight in winter, because youre at work for those hours, probably don't understand. It's actually OK for states to cancel DLS if they convert to standard, but not the spring forward time. I heard that's why MN can't change theirs permanently, because they want spring forward time but that's not legal federally.
Yeah, I'm not even that far north but having sunset before 5pm locally is pretty bad. I'd personally rather have sunrise by 830 rather than 730. The time change just got us sunlight for any amount of time post 6pm.
Same, it's debilitating! In the middle of winter for me, there's no helping it, it will always be dark both before and after work. But the first third and last third, I would love some sunlight that's not at 6-8am. Those times are spent prepping for work so I don't get to enjoy it, even if I was a morning person.
The data is in, standard time is healthier than daylight savings time.
Citation?
Sleep experts say Senate has it wrong: Standard time, not daylight saving, should be permanent
From the cited reference:
Not a study. Just a recommendation. A position statement. There's no evidence either way.
One thing I think we can all agree on is that the time change sucks. There appears to be a trend of studies that take a position statement on which time is more compatible with human biology meriting more research but that's going to take time. Meanwhile there's a mountain of evidence with an overwhelming avalanche of studies that conclude the abrupt time change is fucking dogshit for human biology, mental well being, and energy consumption accelerating climate change. I wish standard time was proven healthier just out of preference, but I'd be fine with just picking a time and sticking with it.
Agreed. I'd prefer daylight time, but stopping the change is absolutely crucial. At the very least it's just fucking annoying and serves little purpose anymore.
This is a good point. These position statements treat standard time as though it is synonymous with circadian alignment, which makes some bad assumptions. Fundamentally the bad assumption is that if there is light in the morning people will be exposed to it. Most people go from a curtained bedroom to a windowless office or classroom, and don't get much sun exposure in the morning whether the sun is up or not. It's arguable that the only thing that matters is whether the sun's up during free time, which for most people occurs only in the early evening.
That was just the first link, I can give you more (and I'm certain studies) all day long. It's really not hard to google.