This is your meme page banner db0. You should probably take it to heart more. You claim to be anti-ML but Lenin is right there in the image as is Angela Davis and Che Guevara. (hexbear.net)

submitted 6 months ago by Nakoichi@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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So are you guys anti-tankie (whatever that even means anymore) or not? Cuz you have Lenin in this image.

Are you Trotskyists? Cuz that would track with this image.

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[-] robinnn@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

Marx hated Bakunin because the latter was an idiot, same with Lenin and Trotsky. United left front dreampt up by the utterly deranged.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 6 months ago

More like because Bakunin was a systematic wrecker. They were friends for a time before.

[-] QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

Marx hated Bakunin because the latter was an idiot, same with Lenin and Trotsky.

More like because Bakunin was a systematic wrecker. They were friends for a time before.

Also same with Lenin and Trotsky. lol

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Trotsky had a period of relative basedness when Lenin had an eye on him, but they were never friends, Lenin never trusted him enough.

[-] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Trotsky was literally the only major bolshevik figure who wasn't at some point an active detriment to getting shit done in 1917, and I am including Lenin. Trotsky's "wrecker" tendencies came after Lenins brain exploded. Until then he was just annoying.

[-] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

Note that Trotsky was also not great in 1917. All the coolest bolsheviks on 1917 were the unnamed bolshevik soldiers who kept demanding more revolution and dunking on nerds saying it was anti communist to do a revolution

[-] robinnn@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

He was a detriment, ex. with the Red Army he made the mistake of not pushing fully into the caucasus after the crippled enemies, instead he moved his army and went and attacked somewhere completely different and left the army to regroup

Read The History of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union

[-] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I dont think individual battlefield decision is the road you want to go down for comparing Trotsky with other Bolsheviks. In fact doing so with his military record at all is silly.

Read... Well, literally any book about the October revolution and the Russian civil war. Just pick up any random one.

Edit:To rephrase. I was talking about 1917 before. Changing the subjct to the civil war in general isn't going to make anyone look good. The whole affair was filled with stupid decisions by every high ranking bolshevik and if we go through them nobody is going to come out looking even remotely competent, but Trotsky is probably the one that ends up looking least bad. SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CIVIL WAR.