Idk why this forum is constantly doomering about reaching people as if they were not themselves presumably liberals at one point of their lives.

The mean age on this site seems to be around 30, ie people who grew up during the Iraq War and were probably radicalized by it. I think the experience of watching people be rabidly pro-War, slowly realizing the war was bad and quietly editing their opinions over time till the point even a lot of politicians who openly called for it deny they ever supported it, to seeing Liberals become even more hawkish than conservatives once the memory of the war had faded and US hegemony starting to be threatened black pilled a lot of us on the hope Westoids could ever have their heads pulled out of their ass. It does feel like if the War on Terror didn't teach you your lesson you ain't never learning it.

Idk why this forum refuses to believe this because its demonstrably true if you actually talk to people but there are plenty of well meaning radlibs who haven't looked at the Ukraine issue beyond seeing Putin as the aggressor and therefor the bad.

It's really not "demonstrably true". I'm not doubting your personal experiences here but maybe consider you've stumbled on a unique and statistically rare group of open minded Libs? Or maybe they're not really even that open minded but just kind of passive and let any mildly articulate person talk them into whatever, so the second the media blitzes them with some more pro-West propaganda they're going to forget everything you told them.

There's just as many stories on this site about people trying to talk to the Libs in their life and being meet with infinitely high and thick brick walls of bullshit. If you're having success educating a few people I think that's awesome and celebrate your efforts, but a lot of others have tried and found it's not worth it and I don't blame them.