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[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

phew, good thing nobody made any of those claims.

what are you talking about?

NASA is very specifically studying and documenting clinically significant physiological effects of low-amplitude pulsed electromagnetic fields.

crystals and magnet bracelets don't emit electromagnetic fields at all, and NASA isn't claiming they do.

why are you replying to me with arguments against your own false assumptions?

neither my comments nor NASA's studies have anything to do with what you're talking about.

[-] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago

What? That's the whole meme!

Some bracelet or sticker or crystal you buy for $36 is not gonna do it either

Then you brought up a paper supposedly about "electromagnetic frequencies" (which usually means light) and said

"try not to unilaterally dismiss everything crystal hippies say."

As if crystals and auras are in any way relevant to the paper about directly applied electricity!

This is exactly what the meme is about; people trying to justify random rocks and accessories with vague factoids and things science supposedly hasn't discovered.

The frequencies don't have to be new so much as understood.

This is entirely your claim, and you use it to insinuate that woo really does work and science is slowing coming to understand that! I have no issue with scientific research finding new things, but I take issue when that reseach is used to justify something completely different.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The meme is about how science won't discover that "energy" alters your "frequencies".

This premise has been proved wrong countless times throughout history leading up to today: photosynthesis, radiation poisoning, microwaves,radio waves, gravity, x-rays, ultrasound, infrasound....

Understand that list of discovered energies and frequencies that have changed the world is not exhaustive.

One of the recent examples of energies altering your frequency are NASA's studies of the clinically significant effects of tvemf, pulsed electromagnetic fields, influencing tissue regeneration, specifically neural tissue and cartilage documented in the studies linked above.

Your argument, and that of the OP, against all ongoing evidence to the contrary, is that you happen to be writing your comments at the absolute apex of historical and technological science, that your lay understanding of such science is sufficient, and all of the scientists who are telling you that you are wrong and new technology and scientific concepts are still being developed, studied, and experimented with constantly are incorrect.

You maintaining that because some inanimate objects do not alter physiological processes, "energy" cannot affect your "frequency" is an absurd illogic.

You are tossing a rock in the air and swearing that planes cannot exist because the rock falls to the ground while planes are flying over your head.

many people mistake the brief moments they are alive for the culmination of history, but this is a selfish and limited understanding of time and history and the next generation will prove you wrong.

Heck, the next Xbox console is going to prove you wrong.

technology marches forward, and so does the human understanding of science.

you should be less proud of your ignorance.

the few moments you are alive are less unique than you want them to be, and you know less than you think you do.

[-] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago

Ignorance? As you defend pink salt and radioactive bracelets as the next frontier of science?

I'm well aware of the radical changes to known science in the past, from the ultraviolet catastrophe to the Michelson-Morley experiment to phebotinum and even to expanding earth models.

Yet for every folk remedy that yeilds an asprin, there are a dozen colloidal silvers, for each inoculation there's several ear candlings, and for each acupuncture, several Non-Contact Therapeutic Touchs.

A rock from walmart doesn't have access to any cancer curing or anti-aging energy powers, no matter how hard to believe science to be blind. Are there scientifically undiscovered remedies in use today? Certainly. Is dried turtle brain going to cure your ED? No!

Come back when the next xbox can cure cancer wirelessly and detect ghosts.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

you are making things up and pretending I said things I didn't.

I specifically disclaimed that crystals do not cure cancer and magnetic bracelets don't work, and then provided a couple incontrovertible proofs that electromagnetic fields("energy") affect physiological processes ("frequencies") to demonstrate the limited scientific understanding and allowance of the meme.

you are caught up on the simple existence of random, inanimate objects that do not have significant clinical effect on physiological processes and incorrectly extending those false analogies to the particular relevance of electromagnetic fields that do have clinical effect on physiological processes.

Your false assumption is that because dried turtle or rocks or Xboxes don't cure specific diseases(irrelevant and illogical examples that you fabricated and are arguing against all by yourself), energy does not affect frequencies(despite incontrovertible historical and current proof, that you admit to, that energy does affect frequencies).

The illogical and unscientific examples you are making up by yourself to have something to argue against?

Those are false.

Electromagnetic fields affecting physiological processes, specifically tissue regeneration in the referenced studies?

That is true, and proof that science is still discovering new uses for "energy", even though you and OP were unaware of those advancements.