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[-] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You know, thinking about it, I doubt this is a coincidence.

The finger-counting is familiar to me as a technique for lucid dreaming. If you look at your hands in a dream, your brain will kinda fuck it up, so if you train yourself to pay attention to that you realize you are dreaming and become lucid.

My guess is that the origin of fae is something like sleep paralysis deamons or hallucinations, and people realized they could detect those from the same flaws of our own imagination.

Now for AI, it isn't really drawing. What we are using in image-AI is still much more like projecting up a mental image, dreaming. We can't get it right all at once either, even our human brain is not good enough at it, it is reasonable image-AI makes the same kind of mistakes.

The next step would logically be to emulate the drawing process. You need to imagine up an image, then observe it at large, check for inconsistencies using reasoning and visual intuition.
Hone in on any problems, stuff that doesn't look right or doesn't make sense. Lines not straight.
Then start reimagining those sections, applying learned techniques and strategies, painter stuff (I am not an artist).
Loosely I imagine the ai operating a digital drawing program with a lot of extra unusual tools like paste imagination or telepathic select, or morph from mind.

The main thing differentiating dreaming from painting is that for painting you can "write stuff down" and don't have to keep it all in your head all the time. This allows you to iterate and focus in without loosing all the detail everywhere else.

[-] bobotron@lemm.ee 19 points 2 months ago
[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 months ago

The other day I thought I was in a dream because my torso was missing when I saw my reflection in a window. Even when I moved. It legit made me jump. Turns out the middle section of the window was open so it was reflecting light from someplace else.

[-] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 months ago

If you feel like you can think clearly and are questioning if you are dreaming but are unsure, you are not.
All methods of lucid dreaming aim at making you think clearly and question if you are in a dream. With that thought, it should be quite obvious to confirm you are in fact in a dream. Dreams are really not that good, sleeping is just kinda like a heavy suspension of disbelief.

[-] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 months ago

This must depend on the person.

Dreaming is dreaming and being awake is being awake.

Completely different experiences for me, can't imagine how someone could confuse them, though people obviously do, so they must be experiencing it differently.

[-] booty@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

These tricks have never worked for me, I wonder if that has some implication. I can see working clocks in dreams, both the digital and analog kinds. Reflections look normal. Hell, I've looked directly at myself (or a doppelganger?) in dreams before.

[-] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago

Yeah. It is not like you can perfectly recreate them, but as long as you don't see a problem with whatever your brain fabricates it's not gonna do anything.

What I used to do was try to breath through my nose. That is a different mechanism, where probably for safety your body doesn't "disconnect" your breathing. If you hold your nose shut, you will still be able to breathe in a dream.
It is something you can easily make a habit, as just quickly pinching your nose doesn't look weird, and then you will naturally do it in your sleep too and become lucid.

All you really need is a moment of doubt, and if you have experienced a few dreams you will always be able to tell if you are dreaming or awake at a thought, at least in my experience.

I have stopped lucid dreaming a while ago, but I think I am still always aware when I sleep based just off of how I sleep. Ever since then it feels more like I am just going along with my dreams most of the time, and occasionally I just decide a nightmare sucks too bad and change it or wake myself up.

[-] AlolanYoda@mander.xyz 4 points 2 months ago

As an extra advantage to the nose pinching trick, I no longer turn every dream into a nightmare from seeing my distorted figure in the mirror!

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 months ago

However I have a slight problem in that I struggle to connect to my mirror image even when awake and sober lmao

Then again, sometimes it does feel like I'm dreaming when awake and sober so

[-] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Look at text. Look away. Look again. Are the words the same? In a dream, they sure as fuck won't be.

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago
[-] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Yes, but I knew that before watching Evil. I've been lucid dreaming for more than two decades now.

[-] leopold@lemmy.kde.social 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Is this really useful? Like, is this something people ever need to do? I don't do lucid dreams very often, but the rare times a dream has lead me to the thought of "hold on, am I dreaming?" were basically immediately answered by just, uh, vibes, I guess? Like, it's always just been instantly obvious that I'm dreaming the moment I'd start questioning it, no tests necessary. At worst I might have to try to remember what I did the day before and what I was supposed to be doing that day and see if that is at all compatible with the scenario I'm dreaming about, which it usually isn't.

[-] Riven@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

I think the idea is to build a habit of checking, so you don’t even need to have that “hold on, am I dreaming?” moment. You just habitually do that thing you always do, and then “oh it seems I’m dreaming. I didn’t notice”

[-] leopold@lemmy.kde.social 1 points 2 months ago

I see. Will avoid, then. I don't like lucid dreaming, always wake up right away. Whenever I notice I'm dreaming it becomes hard not to notice that I'm in my bed and that I can feel my covers and by that point it's all over, so whenever I notice I'm dreaming I just cut the crap and open my eyes for a couple of seconds to wake myself up and then close them again so I can get back to proper sleep.

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

Wherever I see weird things in a dream and I'm lucid enough to notice, I just panic thinking that something's wrong with my brain, followed by doing anything I can to get to a hospital.

[-] sunbather@beehaw.org 3 points 2 months ago

pretty funny how different reactions ppl can have, when i was younger and thought i might be lucid dreaming my first thought would always be to try generating flame in my palm or some other anime move

[-] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 2 months ago

DO YOU LOOK DIFFERENT?

Depends on how many hours I've been in bed. 🤷‍♂️

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