I should clarify: when I refer to people who aren't committed to veganism I am referring to the same people you are referring to when you say "people who aren't", i.e. the non vegans discussing veganism.
I think the piece of information that is being missed is that VTC is inherently anti capitalist and therefore the concept of "supporting businesses" so that they can survive doesn't really make sense in that context. (See link Hamid posted)
If I understand my history correctly, Vegan Theory Club is a theory club for vegans, not a club for vegan theory specifically.
There is a discord server of the same name which is way more active for the discussion of leftist theory. Members of the instance can make communities - it's just no one has created one specifically to talk about vegan theory.
Hamid was respond to a suggestion for communities for vegans to debate carnists which db0 correctly identified as draining.
I'm not sure what debate between vegans would be. Debating our interpretation of texts? There is a book club community that's perfect for that.
So, last time people were mad that vegans were mean to them this community got created:
https://lemmy.world/c/plantbased
Edit: I should finish my coffee before posting, the only post there literally points to this more active com lol: https://lemmy.world/c/plantbased@lemmy.dbzer0.com
See: https://lemmy.world/post/23634881
We all know r/vegan exists and is a cesspit of carnists, but there doesn't seem to be an actual demand for a 'plant based' space. I'm not sure why people would post about something they are kind of meh and not committed to?
If people are interested in just the food, there are communities for that:
I really don't think the rules there are onerous. Just don't talk about abusing animals and don't be a jerk to the other posters and you're good?
I don't know if this would work for you but I give myself a long time to drink my coffee. I take my meds and sit and drink my coffee while catching up with my online communities. I wake up well before my partner so the house is silent and no one is trying to interact with me.
Exercise was good for me too, but I haven't found a way to make it work for me where I live/work now.
Everyone is different, but emotional regulation was the first thing I noticed on the meds! That's how I knew they were kicking in lol.
What do the cops do when you call them for a robbery or accident, which you do after the fact? Fill out paper work? Is that help?
When my things were stolen from my apartment building,I had to call the cops to get a report number for my insurance. If I wanted it investigated further, I had to contact my apparent and ask them if they had video coverage of the area.
I've never been in a car accident as an adult, but I understand I am legally obligated to report damage to a collision center. Do we need cops for that?
Other interactions I've had with cops include them buzzing me from my apartment lobby OVER AND OVER AGAIN at 3 am instead of just leaving a massage when someone turned in my wallet that I had dropped. I had not dropped it late at night so I can only assume they were bored and looking for fun? I was absolutely terrified about what was happening. Eventually, they left and left a message and I went back the next day. No way in hell I'm going to my apartment lobby at that time.
I've also seen them beat the shit out of friends and neighbours for various terrible crimes such as: existing while poor or attending protests. The only gun I've had pointed at me in my life was a cops.
I haven't figured it out yet but I have been given two tips that I intend to try on some upcoming time off:
I think the important context about the tired comment is that my issue is that my nervous system is constantly in flight/flight/freeze and I feel like I'm vibrating all the time. If your burnout is making you exhausted, that might not be helpful.
I'm sharing my thoughts here but I'm not trying to argue with you about your approach. This is just what I do for my own well-being.
As soon as someone starts to give me an excuse about why they aren't vegan, I stop listening. They aren't trying to share roadblocks they want help overcoming, they are trying to protect themselves from feeling guilty.
I can show people they can live a healthy life with delicious, low cost, low effort foods without enslaving animals. If they wanted to know about that, they would ask, like: "Hey, I notice when I don't eat corpses I feel a little run down..." and then we can approach it together. Otherwise I just assume they have a terminal case of meat brain and they get mentally filed away in the carnist slot 🤷🏻♀️
Comrade, did you ask why it got deleted? I don't know the answer (because I didn't ask) but I also didn't notice. I'm curious why you reposted it with this title and what you are seeking to say with it?
All of the listed things are generating income from access to captive animals. They are inherently exploitative.
Would you pay to visit captive humans if the reason for their captivity was "they can't survive on their own", "it's what's best for them?" or "it's for research"?
Animals sanctuaries that are doing their best and are not speciest can exist, but the animals are residents and are not displayed.
Thanks for sharing this. We don't do PBC in our house (for the most part) but I've had trouble expressing to my spouse how "demonstrating demand" isn't really a thing.
There are so many variables that go into a business decision to make vegan products, and with these companies so heavily invested in animal exploitation, the demand for the products is << so many others. Even if people are buying the products, they could suddenly decide they aren't as profitable as animal bodies, or they want to use those machines to process animal bodies for a while, etc. No amount of consumer demand is going to outweigh the return on animal exploitation for companies that are built around it.