"skill issue"

IMO, people who experience health effects from cutting out flesh either failed at meal planning or they're sensitive little babies who couldn't handle a change. I empathize, western pattern diet depends on flesh and I guess it's jarring to make a big dietary change of any sort (though it wasn't for me), but that is what you're signing up for. Maybe ask about specific things, like "how did you get enough protein" or "did you take B12" and find obvious mistakes. Broader level though, animals still don't want to be killed even to give a carnist a better night's sleep.

I'm sharing my thoughts here but I'm not trying to argue with you about your approach. This is just what I do for my own well-being.

As soon as someone starts to give me an excuse about why they aren't vegan, I stop listening. They aren't trying to share roadblocks they want help overcoming, they are trying to protect themselves from feeling guilty.

I can show people they can live a healthy life with delicious, low cost, low effort foods without enslaving animals. If they wanted to know about that, they would ask, like: "Hey, I notice when I don't eat corpses I feel a little run down..." and then we can approach it together. Otherwise I just assume they have a terminal case of meat brain and they get mentally filed away in the carnist slot 🤷🏻‍♀️

Short of just having a bad veg diet

That's a pretty easy thing to do, yeah? Most people think of vegetarianism and they think of potato chips and salad.

Try asking them what they were using for protein and tell them to try next time.

I get really politely pedantic and start asking them how they know this, what the nature of their experimental protocol and controls are, if they made any effort to do blinded testing. If they're smart they realize how silly their refusal to openmindedly consider their conviction is based on false assumptions is and if not they get big mad and make sillier claims that tend to get progressively easier to deboonk

Honestly I guess those that suffer from chronic anemia and aren't able to do the whole combine leafy greens with vitamin c rich sources (to aid in iron absorption) alongside beans. Tbh though it requires likely having specific intestinal issues that make it hard for certain people with conditions like IBS, UC and FODMAP.

Kinda feels like they've been getting a little too much into Tokyo Ghoul.

Also, no veggies makes me feel less well.

Any change in diet will take time for your body and gut microbes to adjust to. Going suddenly from a lot of meat to zero meat may absolutely cause people to think that the vegan diet is unhealthy for them

Yes meat makes your health badder

There is French youtuber that stopped being vegetarian because she started having intestinal issues and said it was better after going back to meat. Could be something else entirely, this seems weird or maybe a bad diet. Unfortunately she contributed to spread this to the world

Basically arcanepotato but also like I have IBS. A plant based diet that's practical to do means I spend a fair bit of time quite uncomfortable.

Boo hoo. It is not a given that is it true that you can uphold the moral baseline and feel great all the time. God hates us, life is suffering, stop being a child and face it is basically how I feel.