How so? Masked men grabbed Rumeysa Ozturk off the street, caught on camera and even questioned by passers by. I haven't seen their identites released, and I don't see how it will happen unless the federal government wants it to happen.
You're speaking of the now.
I'm speaking about after this regime falls, and it's time to to account for the crimes against humanity.
That’s so bold of you to assume they’re making the high school bullies do their own paperwork.
We couldn’t even get them to fill out a single page card for the national crime database.
Weren't the Nazis meticulous about their records? The new crop know better than to leave a paper trail
They're as skilled and aware as the January 6 insurrectionists.
They'll all be found, and all will be ratted out by the communities that they've harmed.
At the same time though, now that things like that are already out in the open it's going to be a lot harder. I've already seen videos of people yelling at cops that are harassing and questioning alleged immigrants.
The video of Rumeysa being disappeared is so chilling. The passers by asking why they are covering their faces. They say they are police, but they are not wearing uniforms. It's hard to hear in the video for me, but they're just wrangling her like an animal. Taking her bag off of her back while she is terrified and turning in circles. Where is due process for anything? (This question is rhetorical. Sad that constitutional enforcement is a rhetorical point now.)
They did it during Black Lives Matter. Would cover their faces, remove their badges, and use rental cars to pull people off the street and disappear them. It's happening now with ICE.
To be clear:
ICE agents have home addresses. They have lives away from work. People in their lives, from family members to acquaintances, who have direct knowledge of them being ICE agents.
Start collecting identifying information, that will help apprehend them after this regime falls.
When this regime falls; they won't permit being voted out of office.
Dox them all, let 4chan sort them out
4chan
I've got some bad news...
pretty sure they’re back as of like yesterday
yup, checked
You can starve the trolls, but you can't ever get rid of them
Sorry to say that the fast majority of German Nazis did not only get off without any form of repercussions after 1945, they often even kept their jobs in government. The Nürnberg and subsequent trials only covered the high profile cases, that had not successfully fled. For the Nürnberg trials that were 22 people, while the subsequent trials only found 2,500 of 100,000 arrested Germans guilty of war crimes. Of those only 177 were tried, 142 were convinced and 25 were sentenced to death. These numbers also exclude the 1,600 German scientists, engineers and technicians that the US government took with project paperclip.
And it wasn't for a lack of documents.
You are a source of joy to the regime.
They very much enjoy all discussion that suggests that they can do what they want, and get away with it.
Excellent work on discouraging resistance.
One stay in Germany and become the rector of a managerial university, died in 2000ish with national funeral
We need a wiki where regular people can document and store evidence on the nazis, fascists and enablers currently destroying America. Not just ICE, but everyone. A place where sleuths can unmask and put a name on the worst of them. Where hackers can upload ICE payroll or employee databases. Perhaps even put together an interactive map showing where these people live so their neighbors can be safe.
Once the bastards see their names in print with proof of their crimes out in public perhaps they'll realize how short their future is. Otherwise it'll come in handy for the trials.
Isn't this essentially WikiLeaks?
I don't think it really falls in the same category, but I do think a similar wiki format would work.
Be the change you want to see.
Start documenting.
Something like that would have to be ultimately physically hosted by someone outside the US to prevent it from being shut down so... Anyone got any foreign friends u/Hexonxonx@lemmy.dbzer0 can talk to?
Could host it as a .onion on TOR.
Access is important. People should be able to easily read it without specialized browsers.
That doesn't solve the problem of needing a physical server with the data stored on it existing somewhere.
Right, but it doesn't necessarily need to be physically located outside of the US. There's always risks when dealing with the resources available to state-level actors, but a VPN with a foreign endpoint and Tor over that VPN would mitigate most of the risk.
Personally, I'd rather be safe and assume that it would still only be a matter of time before they found the server and took it down if it was within their jurisdiction. Best to keep it entirely out of reach.
Consider hosting it over Tor
Can we do it playing card style like they did with the 9/11 terrorists and pick them off one by one for funsies?
How is the WiFi in Argentina these days
I don't think there's gonna be a Nuremberg trials this time around
The trials will be home brewed.
Americans don't like being told what to do by foreigners.
This time around though, there will be no appeasement that allows for a Southern Strategy again.
You can evade justice if your Reich lasts long enough.
It's sad when old corrupt criminals just outlive any repercussions, and the systems that shields them becomes the norm.
Let's see how long this one lasts against one of the most well armed civilian populations in history, who have been fed a steady diet of the Right to Bear Arms, and Stand Your Ground.
The regime will be fucked the first time their ICE agents try to scoop a Don't Tread on Me type in the middle of the night, and get a bullet salad for their troubles.
By now, even the most fervent supporters can see that if one of them gets scooped by mistake, there is zero mechanism to correct it, and they're as good as dead.
The regime will be fucked the first time their ICE agents try to scoop a Don’t Tread on Me type in the middle of the night, and get a bullet salad for their troubles.
"Fucked" how? You think they'll give a shit? MAGA people will just say the person deserved it, or was a secret liberal or some bullshit to justify it.
You're not grasping what I'm saying.
The regime is ruthless, but clumsy and stupid. They will attempt to kidnap the wrong person it'll be a staunch MAGA acolyte or someone they care about, and they're gonna Stand. Their. Ground.
You're probably going to say that that won't happen, on account of the populace being docile and pacified by job stability and low grocery prices.
Police shoot Americans every day and they put up with it. I'm not expecting them to rise up any time soon. The revolt was voting for Trump to burn it down lol
More violence is coming to USA, that seems a given, but daily shootouts just means more resources to the "militia" the gov uses/chooses to use. And that can get normalised. And the percentage of gun-owners killed vs ICE agents killed acceptable (basically nobody can reasonably fight off an armed force on their own, it's logistics, not a shonen match). Good TV news tho.
There is no deterrent in ICE getting shot on the job (that doesn't affect Washington at all), the deterrent would be gun owners grouping together & taking on the gov as a force.
(basically nobody can reasonably fight off an armed force on their own, it’s logistics, not a shonen match).
To be fair, the only wars that the US has arguably lost, has been against irregular insurgencies.
Lol, that's is basically true-ish, but the counties, cultures, and infrastructure still got oblivioned ... also the conflicts ran for so long ... also2 domestically it would still count as a war & the president needs wartime excuses anyway.
Oh, it would be devastating... But if Ho Chi Minh could do it, I think a nation with ~1.2 firearms per person could end up on top...
Also, the military are also US citizens and many would refuse to turn their weapons on fellow citizens.
Where would the fighting take place?
Private homes? City blocks?
You can just torch those.
And can these people leave their homes/jobs without starving (and no foreign aid)?
ICE and the police are also citizens and don't seem to have much problem with it.
You're right. The Vietcong were an anomaly...
So were the Taliban in Fallujah I guess?
And there's a difference between a handful (by comparison) of ICE fuck heads doing what they're doing, and the US military following orders to drive tanks down city streets and slaughtering (often white!) citizens.
I wasn't taking an offensive stance, just that merely restricting access to supermarkets in USA means starvation & loss of daily life on a grander scale than the same to the usual countries USA bombs.
And that actual freedom fighters usually arise from non-militant groups (ie not the ones hoarding weapons & dressing in tactical gear, but like teachers & such), ... unless the CIA or KGB directly funds and existing (usually fairly extreme in beliefs) fraction, which usually happens in proxi wars (then the winning daddy crowns their group the government "for stability").
But fighting in USA wouldn't take place in forests and caves. And foreign (food) aid would be really hard to get to individuals hiding.
So I don't think actual USA in-fighting can take place in terms of war-like conflicts you mentioned (where USA was the invader), bcs there would be no contest, but more like IRA fighting for Ireland's independence, or the French Resistance during WWII - individual (covert) strikes that leave the official gov unable to initiate direct conflicts & have to rely only upon their intelligence (and their own terrorist actions to put pressure on the people from the other side).
But it's not like ICE is the only militia, FBI is just one phone call away & even alone both forces can overwhelm any resistance groups, no matter how big, as long as they know where they are.
Now, if there would be a coup that leads to an actual civil war where two organised forces would fight (ie countries with their own militaries & lands), that would be much different, but also a lot would need to happen to get there.
(And I don't think the USA military wouldn't follow orders, they rarely refuse to kill civilians in other countries, so not quite the same culturally (yet! let propaganda cook), but militarily force on USA streets feels like "insubordinate" cities getting the Gaza special.)
I doubt next democratic admin will do anything about it.
Y'all got too much faith in the regime.
If maybe if AOC gets it, but they will neuter her
We haven't had a real president since JFC.... Just useful regime whores
Jimmy Fucking Carter? John Fitzgerald Christ?
Jesus fucking Christ.
JFK*
But the irony is palpable
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