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[-] restingboredface@sh.itjust.works 145 points 10 months ago

Anybody remember those SNL skits where a character named Pat was not clearly male or female, and the whole joke was how everyone was just confused about how to address them but still ended up being polite and friendly? I don't understand how our culture got from there to people demanding proof of gender from strangers.

[-] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 71 points 10 months ago
[-] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

i love movies like that, too, but it definitely wasn't popular when it was released. and pat was always the butt of the joke. i also have to check my "but we cured racism in the 90s" indoctrination sometimes. fresh prince made me think things were a lot better than they really were back then.

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I was a kid when SNL was still airing those skits and they didn’t feel enlightened to me at all. Like, this is the same show that “joked” that Brandon Teena (who was already known to be murdered at that point) deserved to die for reporting his rape. Like, not as a shocking thing a heel would say, just a crass joke. It was hilarious to people then, that’s the environment It’s Pat is in.

The 90s were fucked up, y’all.

[-] exasperation@lemm.ee 15 points 10 months ago

It's Pat, the movie, was a notorious commercial bomb, and sold basically no tickets.

It was made, though, because the recurring SNL sketch was popular enough to attract the investment.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The second statement is true, and yet hyperbolic. That was the same time that they made the Coneheads movie, another bomb about SNL characters that had not been on screen in like 20 years. And like five other bombs on the same model.

[-] exasperation@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago

Blues Brothers and Wayne's World were successful enough that people forget that they originated as SNL sketches. And, because they were the first, they kept on trying.

The category as a whole isn't exactly very impressive, as movies.

But the originating sketches that developed the characters were...fine.

[-] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

fresh prince made me think things were a lot better than they really were back then.

Fresh Prince had a lot of references to the fact that racism was alive and well in the 90s. Many of those episodes also focus around the theme that even though the Banks' were wealthy, it still didn't stop them from being discriminated against, and even caused discrimination from other black people.

[-] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

The white cops were ready to pepper spray the Banks’ until his white partner shows up

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago

And what's more, ignoring that proof even when presented.

[-] Stamau123@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

republicans

[-] doug@lemmy.today 120 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

My wife and I went to what we thought was a suuuuper leftist bar in Berlin; Marxist stuff all over the walls, anti-Nazi stuff, etc., but the bartender stopped my wife from entering the restroom, accusing them of not being a cis woman. Sullied the whole goddamn vibe of the place.

TERFs are such awkward bigots in that they have no endgame other than to see your fuckin’ genitals. No safety, no greater good, just do you have a dick or not?

[-] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

now ma'am, I believe that you were born a biological woman like you're saying, but its company policy that I gotta see that pussy

[-] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 102 points 10 months ago

That’s sexual assault, no?

[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 30 points 10 months ago
[-] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 10 months ago

You don't get it, its to protect the women! /s

[-] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 99 points 10 months ago

So, why is it OK for guard man to go inside if there might be a man in there? Does this not double the number of men in the bathroom? I don't understand bigot logic. The women joining in like that is appalling.

[-] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 54 points 10 months ago

"When I do it it's Morally Right™" Is their basic justification.

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago
[-] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 5 points 10 months ago

that one is called "trickle down economics"

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago

The most shocking thing to me is the women. That random women in line said such things indicates to me that there are bigots everywhere.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 98 points 10 months ago

Wait wait wait... So a man barges into a women's bathroom to pull out a woman just to make sure there are no men in there

My mind is stuck in an endless logic loop

[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 24 points 10 months ago

The women in the bathroom complained so there is more than this guard at play

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 39 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The Liberty Hotel initially defended the guard’s actions in a now-retracted statement, claiming “several guests alerted security about two adults occupying a single bathroom stall” and asserting that a physical altercation occurred. Baker and Victor denied those claims outright.

“If that’s what he thought the issue was once he opened the stall door, obviously there was only one person in there, so it should’ve been case closed,” Victor said. “Let her tie up her shorts and go about her day.”

So the guard actually opened the stall door while she was still using the toilet, found a woman in there, and then stuck around to demand ID to prove she was a woman? What a weird thing to do.

[-] 800XL@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I remember back years and years ago conservatives who regularly used unisex bathrooms losing their shit over gender neutral bathrooms because women were afraid of men entering the bathroom at the same time and forcing open stall doors to take a peek.

And here we are except it was those petrified conservatives doing the forcing and peeking. Guess they were afraid of themselves.

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[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

Oh yes, you're right. What's at play is plain anti trans discrimination pushed by a government wanting to distract the populace from looking while they rob the state blind

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Where does the article say that?

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[-] ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 10 months ago

Hopefully TERFs will learn at some point that discrimination against trans women also harms cis women and empowers the patriarch.

[-] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 60 points 10 months ago

TERFs love the patriarchy, they aren't feminist at all.

[-] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 49 points 10 months ago

Are ya feeling safer, fellow women?

[-] Jaybob32@lemmy.ca 40 points 10 months ago

This is bad. But what really struck me was that a hotel had a guard? Do you have guards EVERYWHERE?

[-] espentan@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago

Reminded me of a comment a colleague made during a hotel stay in the US, "they got six people greeting me as I enter the lobby but no one to fix my shower".

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In the US? Only if there's money.

Guards are only to protect assets not people. When I used to Metro in the Pentagon you would see four or five armed guards with m4s and body armor protecting the carts of the money for the Metro machines. They could give two shits about anyone else.

[-] altphoto@lemmy.today 9 points 10 months ago

I rode some light rail trains in Mexico. The guards were putting money on boxes and I though it was a thought provoking photo. So I took the shot. Apparently they thought so too. They followed me and asked me to removed the photo because it was my first offense. Fuck that I've never been back in 35 years.

[-] paperazzi@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I feel like this is a very abridged version of an interesting story.

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[-] Horsey@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Tucson here: armed and unarmed guards are really common at low-class-linked businesses like thrift stores, Fry’s supermarkets, Walmart, Dollar stores, Walgreens/CVS. God forbid someone steal food or pharmacy items like shavers (shaver cartridges here are crazy expensive if you get name brand). Walgreens/CVS also has a tendency to lock the shelves behind plexiglass so you have to ask for help to buy more expensive items.

In some cases, these kind of stores are targeted specifically. There are shopping centers with higher end restaurants that coexist with super high theft locations literally within walking distance.

TLDR: it’s mostly to abate crimes of poverty

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

Wait wait

They want the woman to go to the men's room???

😵‍💫

Or... Or, is it that maybe gender is like maybe a lil bit gray, and the officer made a mistake? 🧐

[-] MiyamotoKnows@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

The worst part is they suspended him versus firing his creepy ass.

[-] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 22 points 10 months ago

I hope she sues them. It’s the only way these shitty companies will learn.

[-] pleasegoaway@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

I wish she maced him.

[-] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 21 points 10 months ago

Just start denying any male who don't look like a bodybuilder in the mens room pretty sure then stuff would get figured out.

[-] Goretantath@lemm.ee 20 points 10 months ago

Hope nobody lets him take a crap in peace ever again. Keep barging in on him and demanding he show id.

[-] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

If anyone questions actual trans women, they should say they were only in the women's washroom to look for other males.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

Not so keen on your use of "other" here.

[-] theolodis@feddit.org 3 points 10 months ago

I think in this context it's to make a joke about the male hotel guard going into the women's bathroom to check for "other males"

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[-] Wahots@pawb.social 5 points 10 months ago

Why do people care so much? Idgaf who uses which bathroom. Do people have men and women's bathrooms in their own homes?

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[-] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

You don't have bathrooms in your room in a hotel?

I realize now that I haven't been in a hotel many time in my life

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago

There are also public restrooms.

[-] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 10 months ago

Hotels also tend to have banquet rooms, which means they have public restrooms for banquet attendees.

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