I really liked the addition to canon that the Kligon Empire is experiencing the tail and of a very long fall from grace. It explains a lot about how such a violent fuedal society could have science on par with the Federation.
I didn't like just about everything else Discovery Klingon's screen time. They were just so wearying to watch. They felt like some exhausting loud neighbors I have had.
the Kligon Empire is experiencing the tail and of a very long fall from grace. It explains a lot about how such a violent fuedal society could have science on par with the Federation.
It turns out the real 'merica was the Klingons we met along the way.
What's done is done. What I'd simply like to know is the why. Maybe it's in this article somewhere, but I gave up halfway. Probably just too sleepy atm. Someday I'll read a source that gives a sensible why. Because what I've heard never really made sense. Why keep so much intact and change one thing so drastically?
It's not in the article, and I don't think I've ever seen an "official" answer, but...I do think "because we can" is a valid answer. It was valid when they did it with TMP, and it was valid the subsequent times they tweaked the makeup.
In terms of how it served the story being told...I can see the appeal of having more alien-looking, "scarier" Klingons in a season that was ultimately about the dangers of xenophobia.
Makes perfect sense. But why now invent a whole new alien? Why modify an existing piece of canon (again)?
That would be a question for Bryan Fuller. He's recently started to talk about this stuff, so maybe we'll get an answer some day.
One thing I do think someone said along the line is that they wanted to establish why the Klingons and Starfleet hate each other so much in TOS.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: if they ever do an oral history of the development of that series, it will be a juicy read.
if they ever do an oral history of the development of that series, it will be a juicy read.
I agree. I've never been interested in meeting any of the cast of any of the shows, buuut if I got the chance to meet any of them I would absolutely choose disco so I can ask how it went down.
Except blue isn’t scary anymore after the Andorians. I can only fathom that they thought brown Klingons look like black Klingons and people will think that’s racist.
Oh how I wish people stopped separating humans in races and just stopped thinking in races and colors at all.
“There is only one race: the human race” - Robert Sobukwe, South African anti-apartheid activist
I kept waiting for a eugenics storyline where the Federation tries to make Klingons more human and turns them into TOS Klingons, thereby completing the narrative justification circle.
Instead…
If I remember correctly that's kind of what happened. The Klingons used augment genes from Earth's eugenics wars (the ones used to make Khan and others) to try and create their own augmented Klingons. It went wrong and the result was human looking Klingons and it somehow became a transmissible virus. That's where the TOS looking looking ones came from. All of this is retcon of course.
Edit: What I wrote was pretty close. Here is a link to the Klingon page on memory alpha. The explanation is just after the start of the "History and Politics" section.
I was honestly thinking/waiting for the same explanation. Haha.
This is my not-safe-for-Reddit opinion but I thought the S1 Klingons were great, interesting and impressive.
... the removal of the hair, having done hairless Klingons with J.J.’s films. So I’d personally already gone through the Internet backlash, and so when Bryan said, ‘Yeah, we’re going to do bald Klingons, like it’s gonna be tricky, man.’ And so everyone was salting the broth.
Sometimes you just gotta keep making the same mistake until you learn. At least this guy is humble and practical about it.
I always kind of liked the Kelvin Klingons.
Well, the makeup, anyway. I don't care for the costumes at all.
I think the cranium size was the biggest "miss" in the design - I quite liked the season two iteration of the same basic ideas.
Much of discovery season one would have sat better with me if it had just taken place after voyager.
That could have been quite interesting, actually
I don’t get why producers see prequels as a safe haven, they nearly always end up trashing decades-old canon, instead of adding to it.
Enterprise was one of the exceptions, it fit nicely with established canon, and added to it gracefully.
The reason i have repeatedly heard out there on the Internet is the writers are afraid of the technology.
Replicators and transporters can solve anything.
Which never stopped the writers before so i don't get it but that's what i remember reading somewhere
ee that is the thing with discovery. they went into the past and added new technology which then made the ackward part of everyone being classified and would never speak about it again. That would not really have been necessary if it had been placed after the other series. The only problematic point might have been holograms which seemed to be the only tech they did not have compared to the latest shows really.
You mean the Skittles Klingons?
The weird ultra-racist stereotypes that sounded like they were designed by a colony-supporter of another era?
I wouldn't call it a salty broth but a big racist piece of shit.
Wut?
Clothes very similar to the stereotypical "african clothes", they have dark skin and it is a core part of their identity, they got the actor of Tyler as a way to have an "exotic" accent, they also made them cannibals, with weird voodoo religious rituals with suggested (even if not so simple) rape, and if I'm not mistaken they commit terrorist suicide attacks as well.
They feel like a concentrated mix of the racist ideas gathered over the past 200 years, and are used to show that they are scary. Or to make it more obvious, they are shown like "exotic brown people who hate the white ones, and just want to eat them, rape them, and suicide on them to mass murder civilians to instill fear".
I'm not the only one who noticed that but I really can't understand how anyone can not see it.
Clothes very similar to the stereotypical “african clothes”
Could you expand on that, ideally with pictures of what you're talking about? L'Rell's outfit, for example, hardly screams "Africa" to me.
they got the actor of Tyler as a way to have an “exotic” accent
"Exotic" meaning what? Which race is he mimicking?
voodoo religious rituals
I know very little about the Voodoo religion, so could you please tell me which of its rituals were incorporated into the show?
they commit terrorist suicide attacks as well
And this is a known racist trope about Africans (since you seem to have settled on African, or at least "Black" stereotypes)? Because otherwise, you seem to be saying it's a racist depiction of...a bunch of different races, based on the fact that the characters do things that humans also do sometimes.
Or to make it more obvious, they are shown like “exotic brown people who hate the white ones
"Brown"
Agreed... wut?
Clearly, Disco Klingons were a racist caricature of the good people of Remulak. Unforgivable, really.
I knew it...
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