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That's it. That's the joke. (mander.xyz)

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Never have I been in so much pain in my LIFE SMH

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[-] Shelbyeileen@lemmy.world 24 points 16 hours ago

Yes please cause FUCK the "women don't have pain receptors down there"... IUDs and Cervical Cancer cancer biopsies are the 3rd and 4th most painful experiences I've ever had.

#2 is spinal tap, #1 is a labiaplasty.. mine was medically necessary, but I want to scream at everyone who feels they need a labiaplasty to feel beautiful... 1 year of pain, 6 months without orgasms, so many complications, I screamed so loudly they had to sedate me again because I was TERRIFYING people in the hospital. It hurt so badly I thought death was preferable.

[-] SirDankbud@lemmy.ca 49 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

My wife came home from getting hers still in tears from the pain. I offered to go with, but the doctor made her believe it was nothing. Not content in simply hurting my wife, they set the string so it cut my fucking frenulum the next time we had sex! Took us nine months to find and book a competent gyno to fix her razor vag.

The worst part is my wife got the IUD because it was recommended by the gyno after she had a tubal ligation. It was not there to prevent pregnancy. They claimed it would make her period easier, the opposite was true. All that trauma and pain for nothing.

[-] Shelbyeileen@lemmy.world 14 points 17 hours ago

Wtf?! My doctor suggested Endometrial Ablation and it was PHENOMENAL. Yeah, they put an electrical net inside of my uterus and burned the shit out of me, but it was a one time thing and it stopped my periods, PMDD, mood swings, and lessened the chance of my Endometriosis coming back. More women need to do this. I'm so so happy.

[-] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 30 points 19 hours ago

I wish I had received a realistic expectation when I went. Aside from vomiting in the parking lot after, I should have found someone to drive me. I had a very very hard time getting home and I shouldn’t have driven at all. I’m lucky I didn’t cause an accident.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I've got 2x whats literally called "painful rib syndrome" in English and I can barely get ibuprofen.

[-] damdy@lemm.ee 4 points 13 hours ago

Never knew it was commonly painful, I've heard from people I know it was like a slight pinch on insertion and then no pain afterwards.

[-] Zenith@lemm.ee 7 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I’ve literally never heard anyone say this and I have dozens of friends over the years dealing with these things. Like something punching through your cervix is the equivalent of being kicked so hard you balls go up into your abdominal cavity

[-] nalinna@lemmy.world 110 points 1 day ago

The only male doctor at my ob/gyn was visibly angry when I told him my experience getting the IUD. He said, "The women in this practice don't give anesthetic and it makes me furious with them." Way to be a decent human in a sea of assholes, dude.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 53 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is my experience too, ironically. Lmao. One woman I even chose for her compassionate care awards. I never saw her again. I still generally seek out women doctors for other things.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago

My guess is that women who have had their pain dismissed for their entire lives fall into the trap of internalizing the dismissal.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 26 points 23 hours ago

This is actually a pretty good thought.

[-] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 15 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I can see why male doctors would be ignorant, but wtf is the excuse of female doctors here?

[-] yourgodlucifer@sh.itjust.works 39 points 21 hours ago

"I had to suffer through it and I'm fine"

[-] Sybilvane@lemmy.ca 29 points 20 hours ago

I'm a woman and my first IUD insertion really didn't hurt me very much. Uncomfortable, but quick and not too bad.

But when my friends complained about the pain during theirs, I believed them. Because we are all different people with wildly different bodies. I have empathy.

It's not a difficult concept, but I think a lot of people struggle with it. "It was fine for me so anyone who complaints is making it up!"

Anyway, when I went to get my IUD replaced, the second insertion was absolute hell, so now I really get it. But I didn't need to go through it myself to believe people when they say they experience pain. There's so much evidence out there indicating that women experience pain. Is it really so hard to just believe the evidence?

[-] CoolThingAboutMe@aussie.zone 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

It could also be related to how your cervix changes over your cycle, but that baffles me because surely gynecologists would know that and try to time things correctly if it made things easier for women.

Do they time it based on your cycle at all?

Close to ovulation, your cervix goes really soft and opens up, close to your period it changes position, goes really firm and closes.

I haven't gotten an IUD so I have no personal experience with the process, but I imagine that trying to put an object through the cervix into the uterus would be best done at ovulation when your cervix is open. And probably extremely difficult and painful to try to do when your cervix is shut tight.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago

No, they time it when they have appointments open.

[-] Jarix@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I'm just some single middle aged loser, and even i don't understand why people can't accept that everyone is different and anyone can have drastically different experiences for the seemingly same things.

40 years later i still cannot understand other people. I hate living in this world... And relatively im lucky

[-] grumpasaurusrex@lemmy.world 27 points 20 hours ago

When I got mine in they gave me local anesthesia, and it was still the most painful experience of my life. Turns out rummaging around in your innards produces a type of pain unlike anything I've ever felt. I truly can't imagine how awful it must be without any anesthesia.

[-] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 19 hours ago

I had my uterus inflated with saline for an ultrasound screening before an ablation. It wasn’t a lot of liquid, but it was an absolute screaming amount of pain, and they said it wouldn’t hurt.. I knew it would because I’ve had several iud insertions but they refused when I requested something, anything at all, for the pain..

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 72 points 1 day ago

I believe I read that "women are unreliable informants of pain due to emotions. Where as a man can suppress his emotions and you get a real assessment of his pain." Or something like that.

I'm a man, and, it doesn't take a lot of study to know that pain is very different from emotional stress, especially when it involves GENITALS.

Since being seen by a neurologist for carpal tunnel, i have come to the conclusion that some doctors are just plain sadists. And I wonder if all this maltreatment of women came from some early docs that got together and went "y'know, we could cherry pick things here or there so we can get some good screams out of patients." It worked too well, and they decided to protect it through practice because it was too much fun.

But I know the reality is that medicine is just plain sexist, and historically women were just "less important." It's fucked up.

[-] Zenith@lemm.ee 4 points 12 hours ago

I have cystic fibrosis so I’m a professional patient since birth. I don’t actually believe most doctors are sadist, maybe a good chunk of surgeons though… I think it’s more that med school is its own sort of brain washing, the worship of protocol and deep seated beliefs of the quality of their knowledge churns out doctors who have been through the ringer and can become self righteous because of it, it’s incredibly rigorous, you’re sleep deprived, you’re being fed knowledge for hours and hours a day… it makes you incredibly susceptible to accepting knowledge without question. A lot of them need to believe what their doing is humane, is correct, that thier knowledge is valid so it justifies their whatever is happening and their knowledge also already told them how much this hurts, they don’t get knowledge from patients just information.

The way doctors are trained is a huge part of the problem, the way patient care is approached is just as bad, it goes back to academia as well, most studies do not include women in any capacity so their experiences are not reflected in the knowledge doctors do have. I think most doctors are normal people with good and bad traits and approach medicine in the way they were taught to, medicine as an institution simply does not value the experience of the patient, only the outcome of the treatment on the physical body, as if the mind, where pain happens to happen, is divorced from the body.

[-] arality@programming.dev 25 points 21 hours ago

i have come to the conclusion that some doctors are just plain sadists.

A few years ago I was in therapy for my shoulder. A new guy started, and we were small talking. He mentions he hopes the economy doesn't become socialist, because then he won't make as much money being a docter when he's finished with school. We've completely lost the plot.

[-] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 20 hours ago

Hey doc, you must confuse your emotions with me punching you.

[-] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 76 points 1 day ago

It's literally fucking insane that it wasn't recommended until, like, this month.

[-] entwine413@lemm.ee 53 points 1 day ago

Those women weren't actually in pain, they just needed to lose weight!

[-] flughoernchen@feddit.org 31 points 1 day ago

Also, the pain is not real, they're just feeling like it was.

[-] towerful@programming.dev 14 points 1 day ago

If it was real pain, the body has ways of rejecting it

[-] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Also they're experiencing female hysteria

[-] entwine413@lemm.ee 2 points 22 hours ago

Some people pay extra for that treatment.

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 5 points 18 hours ago

I hate upvoting this comment so much. My wife had some complications with pregnancy that doctors kept just choosing to ignore and sometimes flat out made negative comments about her weight. But when we try to find out "hey, this weight sticks around even when eating crazy healthy and walking 4 miles a day, what gives?" she still just gets blown off and told to eat less cake

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago

You would think the fact that literally every single woman who has ever had medical care has had their problems ignored would get people more engaged in making doctors take women more seriously

[-] Seleni@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

When the ‘Father of Modern Gynecology’ is a douche like this, it’s really not that surprising that women continue to be ignored.

[-] Zwiebel@feddit.org 5 points 19 hours ago

I just googled around a bit and there seem to be a lot of studies showing that the common medications don't do much/ arent worth it. Maybe that's why it wasn't recommended? There seems to be a lack of research into what even causes the pain and how to prevent it

[-] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Then we need more studies starting 50 years ago at least. Regardless, placebo is a thing. We give pain meds all the time knowing they do next to nothing with minimal side effects, give the girls some oxy, or robaxin, or fentanyl. Those are the easiest drugs for me to ask a doctor to prescribe for pain, and having a 1 time dose in a doctor's office will not make you an addict.

[-] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 64 points 1 day ago

I sat in the room as my wife experienced the most brutal pain she has ever gone through. That woman has such a high pain tolerance that she scares me. And yet I felt sick just hearing her. The fact that they don’t anesthetize for this is criminal and fucking embarrassing as a society.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Even just some novocaine does wonders. I'm due a new one and I keep putting it off. I've had 3. One they gave me (fairly useless) paracetamol. I had one without anything and one with novocaine. Ironically the latter was my first (15 years ago!!). They seem to have gotten worse each time.

[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 21 hours ago

Paracetamol?! Not only would that be largely ineffective at preventing pain, it takes 30-60 minutes to start working. The incompetence astounds.

[-] Zwiebel@feddit.org 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Apparently Misoprostol is sometimes given before to soften the cervix

And you're supposed to do it during your period

[-] Midnitte@beehaw.org 14 points 1 day ago

Don't worry, taking cervical biopsy samples will still be full of pain - why would anyone need painkillers? There are no nerve endings, so there should be no pain

closes ears to personal testimony

[-] Truffle@lemmy.ml 12 points 22 hours ago

That medical gaslighting line drives me insane: tHeRe aRe No nErVe eNdInGs SO wHaT YoU are feeling is not pain.

Just STFU and listen to patients! Why is it so damn hard? "You also need to lose weight and _____ willgo away" is another favorite.

[-] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 7 points 23 hours ago

My wife got one when we met. Watching her be in so much pain was horrible. She got it out as soon as possible. It took a few more years after that but I got a vasectomy and I couldn't possibly recommend it more highly.

[-] WizardOfLoneliness@hexbear.net 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

My partner's IUD insertions both times have basically crippled her like the worst menstrual pain she's ever had. Thankfully the second time we had leftover vicodin from a wisdom tooth removal.

It's super fucked up to me that we have medicine that treats pain incredibly effectively but it's gatekept from us by a bunch of fucking nerds. Fuck the prescription drug system. If i want a real painkiller I should be able to go out and get some with no questions asked. If I get addicted then fuck me, i'm an adult, I know what I'm about, and it's not like they couldn't still restrict access i.e. only allow sale of X doses per week or whatever to help account for shit like that. There's no good reason to me to have to convince some fucking nerd that I'm in pain and it's really real and bad enough to need "real drugs" so that that nerd can graciously allow me relief (or just arbitrarily deny it if they feel like it)