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I'm what's known as a chronic hopper. I'm always on the lookout for new software, especially when it comes to browsers and Linux distros, but I'm here to ask you about browsers specifically. I'm fairly sure I know most of them, but I want to really know why you run what you do. In return, I will give you my experiences with the browsers that I have tried and why I hopped from them if I did.

Don't feel the need to read the list. I'll be more than happy to just hear your answers!

  • Firefox: One of the grand-daddy browsers. I honestly didn't hop from it due to anything specific, but more that I've used it so much that I needed a change.
  • Chrome: I used this very little. Just being on it made my skin crawl. However, I still keep it around in a container because some sites straight up tell you that you have to use it to access their dashboards or application forms. While that is now much less these days (as most things will now ask for Chrome or Firefox now), it still does happen, especially on dated government sites that get updated like... once a decade...
  • Opera GX: Yup, I fell into the hype. I think I used this for all of a month before recognizing it as over-engineered and needlessly bloated. It pulls you in with gimmicks and pretty lights and that's pretty much all it has. A browser that's literally built on smoke and mirrors and pushy advertising.
  • Brave: There's been a lot of huff about Brave lately, but back when it launched and wasn't very mainstream it was the smoothest and a relatively more secure browser than the competition. There was a time when nearly everyone ran Brave. The problem started when they began to opt you into gimmicks and extra things you didn't need without your permission. That was a turnoff for me. I outed before things really went downhill. -Floorp: A random find from exploring Linux for the first time. I was running Pop!_OS and found it on the store. I've never experienced such a smooth Firefox fork before. It really is barebones, but has a lot of customization built in. Instead of the custom options piling on one another, most of them change how it works on a foundational level. The style of your UI and tabs, side tabs, fading URL bar buttons, and a lot more. At it's core, Floorp is a stripped down and security first FF fork developed in Japan. I took the time to translate the TOS pages, and most of it is promising that there is no data collection. It's fairly vetted and trusted from what I've researched.
  • Vivaldi: Still one of my favorite browsers when I went back to Windows, but probably has the most bugs I've seen in any browser. It got better once they swapped to React portals, but Vivaldi (Windows version) would occasionally freeze my whole PC or else I'd BSOD. This was a combination of the browser's stability and making my own custom CSS for it, but overall it frustrated me more than other browsers.
  • Qutebrowser: Still one of my favorites, and a must-have for me even if its not my main browser. I was diving into the Vimium extension for Firefox, which in turn led me to Neovim, which led me to Qutebrowser. There's a few main points as to why I don't use it as my go-to. First, its not very good at squashing first-party ads. Even though you can combo custom ad block lists, Brave adblock, and python-adblock, it just can't seem to get them all. Second, I rely on my history when browsing YouTube and if you want to get around ads, your best bet is to write a custom shortcut that opens links in MPV/VLC. There are Greasemonkey scripts that should increase ad speed to a fraction of a second and auto-skip, but none of them ever worked for me and most are ancient.
  • Nyxt: My next logical step after Qutebrowser was Nyxt. However, I've never managed to figure out how to work it. I haven't really done any extensive bug testing, but when it opens its just a blank window and there's not much I could find for documentation on it. Part of me wonders if there's something that only trusted people know that gets it working, the other part wonders if I'm just missing some sort of library or dependency. From here I went back to Floorp for a while. -Zen: I was very excited when I found this browser. Another Firefox fork, it aims to be much like Arc browser, but adds a lot more on top of that. However, in recent months I find they've become a little too ambitious. If you asked me two months ago, I would tell you that Zen felt just as smooth as Floorp, but these days its much, much laggier. The scrolling is choppy, the pages load slow. I use the same exact extensions on Zen as I do Floorp and the difference now is night and day. I've also tested this on fresh, no-extras no-extension installations and the results are the same. Zen tends to change things and instead of letting the user opt into the additions or changes, they force the changes in their updates. That type of development model just isn't really for me. I don't want to have to re-figure out how to use my browser every few days.

So there it is. I hop a LOT. Honorable mention is Ladybird and I've tested it a little. It is extremely alpha, being just a portal with the basics you need for browsing, but I'm amazed at what they've done so far and very excited for it's release. For now I've returned to Floorp and am very happy with it. I'm very curious to know why you like what you do, whether its just because its what you've used for a long time or if there's something that you can't do without.

Also, please excuse me if this question has been asked before. I didn't want to necro an old post and I want to be able to reply and ask more questions! I've seen many posts discussing a single browser, but I want a more general view. I'm very interested, because the Lemmy community often values their privacy and their rights, which is a major factor in choosing software for me.

Edit: I feel like I'm answering very quickly, but want you to know that I'm not a bot nor using AI. I type at 110wpm in Dvorak. Typing is a huge hobby of mine and would never use AI to do something I love to do for me. I'm set on getting to 200wpm (100 was my first goal). That being said, I can't answer everyone, so I'm sorry if I missed your reply!

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[-] SethranKada@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 month ago

Librewolf. It does everything i need, and nothing i don't. It doesn't have bloatware or adware, and it respects my privacy. That's all I care about, besides that it can still do everything I need a browser to do.

[-] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

I need to try Librewolf. I've seen the praises it gets here on Lemmy. I've been holding off, because I feel like Floorp is very similar. I may try Firedragon as well, but I feel like it may be rather bloated as far as FF forks go.

[-] NeedyPlatter@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

I've tried a good amount of Firefox forks and Librewolf is hands down my fav. God tier browser imo

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Firefox.

Because it's not Chromium based so it's not subject to any changes to the underlying code that might do something stupid like stop ad blockers from working.

I had been using FireFox since it's launch. The only reason I ever switch to Chrome originally was because, at the time, Firefox was crashing like every 10 minutes after an update it had. Chrome ended up being faster and, at that time, used less resources.

Switched back the moment news about Manifest V3 started being reported on a few years back.

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[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

There was a time when nearly everyone ran Brave

Wut

[-] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

Lol, brief time and more in the general public. Very brief time, before it even had a mobile app. I was still on Reddit then, and it was the number one recommended everywhere. I'm foggy, but I believe it didn't even have the wallet at the time (though correct me if I'm wrong, because I may be).

I've been following browser trends since Netscape Navigator, and I catch the small shifts, no matter how brief. Though, admittedly, it may have just been the groups I ran in that used it. I can't speak for everyone, just what I saw at the time.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

I doubt it ever, even for a single day, cracked the top 3 downloads for a browser. Maybe top 3 mobile browsers in terms of downloads over a brief stretch, but not in terms of market share overall

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[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

I use Firefox but I'm keeping my eye on Ladybird

[-] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

Ladybird is the most exciting thing to happen to browsers. Madlads really doing it, building from the ground up. I have mad respect for them. I gotta see if they have a donation page and give them some support. I want this to work and blow everything else out of the water.

[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

For sure! I only heard about it recently but it's so exciting and they've already made so much progress. I'll definitely be switching once it's deemed to be in a releasable state.

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[-] thirtyfold8625@thebrainbin.org 6 points 1 month ago

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/desktop-browsers/

The default browser for any operating system that isn't created by Microsoft or Google is probably suitable for most people.

[-] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

This looks like a good read. I'm sure many of the Firefox recommended settings can be applied to it's various forks, too. Thank you for this! I've got it bookmarked and will be checking it out soon.

[-] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 5 points 1 month ago

LibreWolf, I've been using Firefox ever since I switched from Mozilla browser, but nowadays with what Mozilla is doing I felt compelled to switch to LibreWolf and IronFox.

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[-] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I use Firefox and Librewolf.

I've used Firefox for a long tine, and I strongly favour it as the only true independent browser engine left. Everything else is under Google or Apples control, and many of the various chrome forks are commercial and compromised. I dont trust Brave or Vivaldi in terms of privacy. And google has severely limited privacy options in chromium based browsers with its recent changes.

Mozilla is far from perfect and I'm disturbed by some of its actions but it remains the least bad option. Librewolf adds a layer of privacy and separation that I like although its not my main browser. I main Firefox with lots of privacy extensions.

I do have chromiun and chromium ungoogled installed and exclusively for streaming video. Not because Firefox isn't capable but because I have loads of extensions in Firefox so its easier just to contain all my subscribed streaming services in its own browser and not have to faff with DRM or ad block issues. I watch YouTube in Firefox, but use Chromium to watch BBC, Channel 4, and Netflix (when I had it). I use Jellyfin media player to stream my own content.

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[-] gon@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

Firefox.

I can personalize it as much as I want and it respects my privacy, or at least any part that doesn't can be easily turned off.

[-] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

I used to dive deep into personalizing Firefox, myself. Have you seen the CSS store on github?

https://firefoxcss-store.github.io/

It's not as active as it used to be, but still has some interesting CSS.

[-] gon@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Oh, cool! Yeah, I've seen that before, I think, it's awesome.

[-] megane_kun@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No one mentioned Floorp yet, so I guess it's on me.

It's Firefox, but with more customization options right out of the box. I also have an ungoogled Chromium on standby for those sites unwilling to work well with Firefox (and forks).


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Oh, it's mentioned in the OP:

  • Floorp: A random find from exploring Linux for the first time. I was running Pop!_OS and found it on the store. I’ve never experienced such a smooth Firefox fork before. It really is barebones, but has a lot of customization built in. Instead of the custom options piling on one another, most of them change how it works on a foundational level. The style of your UI and tabs, side tabs, fading URL bar buttons, and a lot more. At it’s core, Floorp is a stripped down and security first FF fork developed in Japan. I took the time to translate the TOS pages, and most of it is promising that there is no data collection. It’s fairly vetted and trusted from what I’ve researched.
[-] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

Yeah, Floorp is my go-to right now. Its incredibly lightweight and has a lot of customization for how smooth it is. I am liking Librewolf though, just from how completely stripped down it is. There's barely anything unneeded in the options, its crazy. I think I'll still mainly use Floorp, though.

[-] watson387@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Same with Floorp. Was using Zen for a short time but the ui was buggy as shit.

[-] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Firefox (long term user) and my backup is Brave (in case something isn't displaying right) and my extra backup is Chrome which I hope to never use. And then there's IE that I used to download those.

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[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 month ago

Firefox. It was the default in Linux Mint when I first started using a computer, and I am used to it. (Yep, I started with Linux.)

On my phone, shamefully Opera. It's the best for desktop web experience. I don't like mobile websites.

[-] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

I had a very brief stint with base Opera on mobile, too, but it was so brief that I didn't really dig into it. When I used it, it did have some QoL things I liked, but Firefox mobile caught up pretty quick and I ditched it. Before Opera, I was using Dolphin for a while.

Have you seen Fennec or Iceraven? Nice little Firefox forks for Android that prioritize privacy and add a few great tools. I would have mentioned Mull, too, but sadly it was abandoned recently.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago

Yep, I've got Fennec installed. But only Firefox nightly had... I don't remember what. Probably desktop-like tabs. I forgot.

But Firefox still has issues with scaling desktop sites which Opera does perfectly. Well, actually, Firefox does too in desktop mode. I think the only thing I am missing is permanent desktop mode. When I only changed UA, I had the scaling issues.

Well, I just checked since I updated Fennec yesterday because I had leftover data. The toggle seems to be there now. But the tabs don't show up desktop-style. I should re-check Firefox Nightly. I think that toggle was the only missing thing for me.

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[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Firefox. Little fuckery, and it's what I'm used to.

[-] entrustquotation@aussie.zone 3 points 1 month ago

From my top browsers, Librewolf and Brave Browser are probably in first place. Librewolf is, of course, better in terms of privacy, but I like Brave Browser because it performs better. I compared their performance on an old laptop, and Brave really works better. These are two open-source browsers, and there probably aren't any better ones, in principle.

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For home: Firefox. I've tried the forks and I always hate something about them more than whatever good they offer.

Work: Chrome. I don't really have much of a choice.

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[-] ghost_towels@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Vivaldi as my main browser and Librewolf as my second. I love the tab management and workspaces on Vivaldi, there’s nothing else like it that I’ve found. I use librewolf for all my docker local host needs. I actually really quite like it and would probably switch over but the workspace/tab thing keeps me on Vivaldi.

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[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 1 month ago

Waterfox because of the UI customizations and built-in vertical tree-style sidebar without needing to fiddle with userchrome.css everytime, as well as automatic Betterfox (Firefox config for speed and privacy) and the settings ToC

[-] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

I almost forgot about Waterfox, which is strange because it was one of the first if not the first Firefox fork, if I'm remembering right.

[-] joyjoy@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

You listed Chrome 4 times.

[-] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

Lol, yes I did. I only dropped Chrome completely when they dropped adblock support. Curiosity would always get me and I'd try Chrome-based browsers against my better judgement.

[-] 30p87@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

Chrome, as a kid, then FF. Then to FF nightly. On mobile, I also used DDG (mainly for the tracker block thing), and Kiwi, until FF nightly supported browser extensions.

[-] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

I've heard lots of good things about Kiwi, and I vaguely remember trying it. Never dug into FF Nightly. I'm a little wary of Mozilla right now, but part of me is also confident that they're not being malicious, despite what's been happening. I'm just more of an "err on the side of caution" person.

Does Nightly have anything that's radically different than stable? I'm curious.

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[-] mlfh@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago

I use Vanadium/Trivalent (GrapheneOS fork of mobile Chromium and its desktop equivalent) for general internet use on a general-use system, and Firefox inside of specific qubes for specific purposes otherwise.

On a general-use system, the additional security of Vanadium and Trivalent give me a bit of peace of mind when using the same browser for admin work, sensitive stuff like banking, and general browsing.

With the Qubes model, everything is segmented and isolated anyway, so I can use Firefox, which despite its flaws has been my favorite since the Netscape days.

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[-] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

LibreWolf, because Mozilla makes bad decisions.

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Librewolf. Firefox as a backup. Chrome as a backup-backup.

IronFox. Vanadium as a backup.

I'm up to my neck in privacy settings, systems, extensions, etc. LW does everything I need, with the exception of a couple different sites (glares at cpanel). I have been rocking it for a couple years now. IronFox is a fork of Mull, which is now defunct. Vanadium comes with GrapheneOS and cannot be removed, so it gets the backseat treatment (it's fine - but I need my extensions and deep settings, yeah yeah it's supposed to be more secure but safer isn't necessarily also more private).

Plus, LW is a fucking wolf browser. Hello. Wolves are #1, and this statement is absolutely not biased because I have a hybrid wolf fursona. Absolutely not. 0%.

(maybe like 5% okay wolves are awesome)

E: 🐺

[-] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

lol! I just grabbed librewolf-bin after talking about it here (actually, I've almost got it. I lost track and forgot to accept the yay prompts, lol).

Have you looked into creating your own local hosted homepage dashboard for tracking your servers and such? Its something I'm very interested in doing, but I need to learn from the ground up. There's so many AI answers now, much of it incorrect, that its getting more difficult to learn things on my own these days.

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I use uh, oh what's it called, Homearr? Yeah, that's the one. It makes it easy for me to access services when I can't remember the names (see above lol). It's only for server... services (at least for my setup), I haven't really personalized it. I use a tab group extension (name escapes me) and that way I have general stuff, local server, vps, etc etc and that helps keep thing from going nuclear, but I still have a lot of tabs - last time I checked I was nearing 1k. That's with FreshRSS and Linkding, in an attempt to curb the tab madness...

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[-] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Laptop is Fedora Workstation. Here I use Brave for logins and LibreWolf+UBO is my main "forgetful" browser.

Phone is GrapheneOS - I also use Brave for logins. Ironfox is my main browser which comes with UBO preinstalled plus a few extra blocklists which I did add to LibreWolf..

Librewolf and Ironfox are synced through a Mozilla account.

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