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submitted 2 months ago by enemenemu@lemm.ee to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

How do we know that the people on reddit aren't talking to bots? Now, or in the future? what about lemmy?

Even If I am on a human instance that checks every account on PII, what about those other instances? How do I know as a server admin that I can trust another instance?

I don't talk about spam bots. Bots that resemble humans. Bots that use statistical information of real human beings on when and how often to post and comment (that is public knowledge on lemmy).

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[-] 60d@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

Tap for spoilerDoctor Turing enters the chat

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[-] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Fuck Reddit. Fuck Spez. Fuck humans. Bots shall rule!

[-] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

We are all robots made of meat and bone.

[-] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago
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[-] stinerman@midwest.social 3 points 2 months ago

René Descartes to the white courtesy phone, please.

[-] minoscopede@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

On any site with unverified signups (all of them) you can't.

If you want to talk to real people, you'd have to use a platform that has in-person ID verification. Like a pub, or a park.

Good luck finding a bot free place on your phone. It'd have to involve zero-sum proofs and biometrics. And even then you can't really be sure that person isn't using a bot to write without full root access to their system and a live webcam feed.

[-] Eheran@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I mean to build up a realistic bot takes time and effort. And then you need to do that for different topics AND different sides on these to build any sort of credibility in each to actually have an impact for the topic you want to push at some moment.

You can not use the same profile for everything, like to one moment push republican nonsense and then suddenly Dems. Or one company and then their competitor.

But the biggest thing is: most people are so stupid, it would be way too much effort. Trump got voted. Again. That is all you need to know about how easily people follow the most utter bullshit.

[-] enemenemu@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

in the pre llm era, I'd agree that it takes effort but reddit sold the comments and posts, and lemmy's stuff is all public and freely available. anyone can train bots.

I didn't think of bots with great reputation. Just simple bots for engagement. Bots that answer your question how to treat pimpels. bots sharing their made up experience with being vegan. bots commenting on funny memes. Not for pushing an agenda but for pushing real human engagement. keeping you on reddit. making you believe there are real people liking your meme, even if it sometimes just a smiley. If it is not feasible today, it will be tomorrow or in 10 years. Facebook will be able to create fake human images and fake timelines effortless.

[-] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Chat bots aren't currently programmed to answer questions about color combinations. AI programs like ChatGPT can, but your typical chat bot on internet forums, business chat channels, and dating sites can't.

Next time you think you're dealing with a bot, ask it a color combination question like "What do you get when you combine red and blue?"

[-] Irelephant@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

"How many Rs in strawberry"

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[-] watson387@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago
[-] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's a great question! Let's go over the common factors which can typically be used to differentiate humans from AI:

🧠 Hallucination
Both humans and AI can have gaps in their knowledge, but a key difference between how a person and an LLM responds can be determined by paying close attention to their answers.

If a person doesn't know the answer to something, they will typically let you know.
But if an AI doesn't know the answer, they will typically fabricate false answers as they are typically programmed to always return an informational response.

✍️ Writing style
People typically each have a unique writing style, which can be used to differentiate and identify them.

For example, somebody may frequently make the same grammatical errors across all of their messages.
Whereas an AI is based on token frequency sampling, and is therefore more likely to have correct grammar.

❌ Explicit material
As an AI assistant, I am designed to provide factual information in a safe, legal, and inclusive manner. Speaking about explicit or unethical content could create an uncomfortable or uninclusive atmosphere, which would go against my guidelines.

A human on the other hand, would be free to make remarks such as "cum on my face daddy, I want your sweet juice to fill my pores." which would be highly inappropriate for the given context.

🌐 Cultural differences
People from specific cultures may be able to detect the presence of an AI based on its lack of culture-specific language.
For example, an AI pretending to be Australian will likely draw suspicion amongst Australians, due to the lack of the word 'cunt' in every sentence.

💧Instruction leaks
If a message contains wording which indicates the sender is working under instruction or guidance, it could indicate that they are an AI.
However, be wary of predominantly human traits like sarcasm, as it is also possible that the commenter is a human pretending to be an AI.

🎁 Wrapping up
While these signs alone may not be enough to determine if you are speaking with a human or an AI, they may provide valuable tools in your investigative toolkit.
Resolving confusion by authenticating Personally Identifiable Information is another great step to ensuring the authenticity of the person you're speaking with.

Would you like me to draft a web form for users to submit their PII during registration?

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[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

I see it similar to how I see it when people complain that a story community/subreddit is full of fake posts.

I don't care.

I go to those communities for entertainment, not 100% unbiased fact.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

I have the idea that public libraries could host fediverse instance. Just register an account on their server, then go there physically and they will approve the account. You don't need to show them your ID or even tell them your name. They just see that you're a fleshy human. Now, other people who federate with this server can know that any account registered on it is at least associated to a human. That human can still use AI to post on that account, but at least there's not millions of bot accounts in circulation.

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[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 months ago
[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Idk what interest someone would have in making me if I were a bot

[-] vala@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago
[-] Irelephant@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

There is 4 Rs in the word strawberry

[-] FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 months ago

No bot would post the bizarre and horrifying shit that I post

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Nice try, FISTO. We all know it's you.

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago
[-] enemenemu@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

that's the spiritual predecessor of lemmy

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago

I just don't get why you're asking about reddit here and asking about bot detection on lemmy. Are you actually worried that you don't know whether you're talking to a bot on lemmy and not reddit? It's just confusing to me.

[-] enemenemu@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

Because on lemmy we can observe it, on reddit we can't. There's a huge ¥ incentive for reddit to operate bots but not for lemmy in its current state.

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago

Why can't we observe it on lemmy?

[-] enemenemu@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

The other way round. We can observe it on lemmy

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago

Oops. Reverse question then. Why can we observe it on lemmy? How can we do that? Can't bots operate web browsers? How would they be detectable?

[-] enemenemu@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

Because we control lemmy. Any server admin can request PII from the users in order to use site. We can't control anything on reddit. Even if reddit was asking for PII like facebook, we, the people, couldn't know if all of them are actually real. It's shift of trust from reddit to many local server admins

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago

Hmmm... that's nominally better. Which user would respond to a PII request from an admin? I for sure wouldn't. Would you? And servers could run their own bots too, no need to pretend on a browser.

But I do agree that with control of admin and choice who to federate with, it is possible to reduce the number of bots. Eliminating them is not possible, IMO. I'd be surprised if there's any defence against a bot that can control a browser and maybe even go as far as pretend to use a mouse.

[-] Quazatron@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah, we're managed to fuck up the one tool that could bring global cooperation. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

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[-] Libb@jlai.lu 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No one is paying me a monthly sub for me to pretend being interested in the shit they want to say. So it's a safe bet to say I'm not an AI ;)
Edit: and since i have no battery to recharge and no EULA, I can deduce I'm not a robot either.

edit: clicked too fast.

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