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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by nokturne213@sopuli.xyz to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world

I volunteer at a food bank, and the company that sends us our food decides what we get. Last Tuesday they sent so much produce we could not fit it all into fridges. We were trying to give away cases of the food on Wednesday, but people were turning it down because they had no place to store a case of tomatoes, or cauliflower. This was what we had left after last Wednesday's morning give away. Not pictured the 5000lbs of watermelons, the 2500lbs of onions (those will last a lot longer).

The company that supplies us wants to move from sending shipments every other week, to once a month. This would cause even more no produce loss.

It is so frustrating to have all this food for it to go bad. Even if we got the same volume of produce, but there was variation in what it is we could give it away easier.

Edit: I posted this in a comment.

Because of bureaucracy we have to request this. If it is found out we are giving away the food to unapproved recipients we can lose all of our funding. If we give to unapproved recipients and they in turn give us prepared food to give out, that is okay.

Word got out that we were loading up my pickup with food and taking it to the homeless camps. I did get a number of them to start coming to the bank to get food. But it was easier when I could take stuff to them.

We are not allowed to simply give it out to anyone. This is not like a church pantry where all of the food is donated by the community and's parishioners. There is government funding, as well as private businesses, which I am guessing get their money back from the government for funding this. If we could simply give it to anyone we would not be in this situation.

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[-] match@pawb.social 2 points 1 month ago

it would be kinda cool if food panties could also pickle + can things

[-] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

food panties

grins in dog

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 1 month ago

The edit makes me think this is done on purpose to try and force a slip up so they can justify taking away your funding and it's making me hella mad.

[-] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

They do this because they can write off the "donation" (e.g. garbage disposal)

All of this produce was going to go bad, they know what date it's going bad, but they overproduce or customers cancelled orders or under ordered.

UNFI, the massive breached company, is going to have this same thing play out across the board from product wasting away in their warehouse.

[-] Pnut@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

There isn't a food shortage. There are significant problems of wastage created by marketing value and poor distribution. Many solutions have been brought up over the years. To deaf ears. Because your local grocer needs to put 1000 tomatoes out to mostly rot because it looks aesthetically pleasing.

[-] andybytes@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's not the bureaucracy. It's the capitalist that run the bureaucracy. In a society like this, it's all about managing perception. It's all about your brand. It's about looking good and not doing good. As things start to centralize further and further, you'll see what this is all about. In my town we have hooverviles. The homeless are there to remind you to work harder, or you'll become homeless. Working inside the system will not work. Capitalism in the US Empire need overthrown.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 0 points 1 month ago

Not being funny, but what the fuck is a homeless person going to do with a raw cauliflower?

I often see carrier bags of dry pasta, tinned tomatoes and stuff just dumped at the roadside, because the person they'd given it to has no way of doing anything with it. Apparently they're supposed to give only food they can prepare, but that clearly doesn't always happen.

Food waste is part of the system. It's fine. It's what stops a shortage from becoming a famine.

[-] falcunculus@jlai.lu 0 points 1 month ago

I'm unsure I get your point, how does waste prevent a shortage from becoming a famine ?

Also, both raw cauliflower and tinned tomatoes can be eaten almost as is.

[-] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago

how does waste prevent a shortage from becoming a famine ?

Making the expected production a higher number than the expected need will give the headroom necessary to deal with a shortage without people starving.

If you're aiming to produce food for a population of 100,000, but have the capacity to make food for 200,000, then you can afford to waste half of your food without starvation. You can also accommodate a 50% drop in production without starvation.

So that buffer is expected waste, but it's also starvation resistance.

[-] And009@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 month ago

That potential waste of food can be transported to another group of people

[-] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

If you're accommodating another group of people you should produce enough to always feed them, too, not just sometimes in surplus years. The whole point is that you've gotta plan for a surplus, otherwise you risk starvation in bad years (and it doesn't make it any better, morally, if the people who bear the risk of starving are "another group or people").

[-] JoeBidet@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

pickle pickle pickle!

2% salted water brine, spices, glass weights to maintain under water in not-too-tight closed jars with co2 escape. keep at room temperature, and here you go!

[-] Vreyan31@reddthat.com 0 points 1 month ago

The jars likely cost more than the volume of produce it could store.

Also - have to arrange logistics for labor, supplies, and a kitchen to do the boiling in. Now that you are making a cooked food product, your kitchen also likely needs a license.

And insurance in case your rushed pickling operation creates any jars that go foul and anyone gets sick.

Also -- ew. Not even the destitute want pickled cauliflower.

[-] JoeBidet@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

hmm no big deal, but either i expressed myself wrong, or you are mis-informed about pickling :)

there are several pickling techniques, the most common is lacto-fermentation and:

1/ it doesnt require any boiling. you could be boiling your jars to disinfect them, but thorough wash with soap and/or vinegar is more than enough. so no "cooked food", no license, thanks.

2/ the labour is barely more than any other preparation of that food. actually much less, as no cooking is involved. cut the goods (sometimes even by hands with cauliflowers, no knife is needed for most of the job), immerse them in salt water and that's it. it scales very well.

3/ the cost of the jars can be minimum, by recycling existing ones, and/or investing in 10, 20, 50L crocs that can be used hundreds of time. their cost is thus divided by the number of fermentation cycling....

4/ like for previous point, this is assuming that the people confronted with that question are not here at their first rodeo, and that they may face that problem again, so it's more like an investment.

5/ with a little experience of fermentation, you see and smell immediately if something went bad (mold), and discard those batches. the other do look and smell good and there is no way anyone gets sick. it has worked like this for centuries, way before fridges or the notion of microbiome were invented... I also imagine that people getting food for free have an expectation to use at their own risk, no guarantee, etc... but maybe everyone sues everyone in 'murica, i dunno?

6/ for the taste of pickled cauliflower... well it seems you may never have tried it? like with anything lacto-fermented it is deliciously complex, sour, and goes with everything as a condiment, minced and mixed with other things, or lightly cooked like sauerkraut... it brings vitamins and probiotics that the body craves for, and usually rather tastes "woaa" or "hmmm" than anything else... even if you dont like cauliflower in the first place... do you think the "destitute" want rotten raw cauliflower, or no cauliflower at all, more than the pickled one?

7/ pickling/lacto-fermenting is a practice of autonomy. the labour could be contributed by the people themselves who will benefit from it, who will thus learn a very simple and accessible technique that will enable everyone in the future to conserve food ie. deal with stocks in excess, when they are cheap, abundant, etc. and save them in ways that benefit the body for times when they are not. seems pretty compatible with the objective of anyone collecting and re-distributing unused food!

[-] oz1sej@feddit.dk 0 points 1 month ago

Seldom have I seen a better example of why universal basic income is so preferable to food banks.

[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 0 points 1 month ago

Please explain how that would solve the issue of people not wanting to eat their vegetables.

[-] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

People shouldn't downvote you, it's an educational experience.

Edit: Nah, fuck this guy.

People should be able to buy what they need, not be at the whims of what a capitalist entity dumps in a food bank.

Not everyone has the ability to store, prepare or even cook vegetables. Due to lack of utensils, food storage or even something to heat with. For many, vegetables would just be a liability and force you to choose between other necessities as you battle limited carrying capacity.

[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 0 points 1 month ago

Something something beggars can't be choosers.

Cooking cauliflower isn't rocket science. All you need is a pot and some water, and maybe a bit of salt. You can even eat it with your hands if you lack utensils. It's also good raw with some ranch dressing. You're making it sound a lot more complicated than it really is.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

It's not cooking some cauliflower, it's cooking a shit ton of cauliflower. And storing it before and after cooking. Some places you only buy a couple days worth of food because you have a tiny place. And that's actually housed people, if you're unhoused you can't store shit.

[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today -1 points 1 month ago

Have you considered giving it away to your neighbors? That's what I would do if I was given more cauliflower than I know what to do with. Consider that not everyone even has the means to make it to the food bank.

And what if I don't end up using the whole box if it's going to rot away at the food bank anyways? I'd take the whole box if need be, and I'd eat as much as I physically can and try to give away the rest before it spoils. Literally all I'm hearing in this thread is "I don't want to eat cauliflower because chicken wings taste better".

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"What's that? You're tired and just want some food? Fuck you here 3 boxes of cauliflower, now you have to distribute it too. Live in a sketchy neighborhood? Sounds like a you problem fuck you. Took the bus in? Fuck you you have to lug it on the bus and distribute it. Can't eat it? Fuck you now you have rotting food in your apartment that you have to clean out. What you don't want it? You fucks just want chicken wings fuck you. Beggars can't be choosers, so fuck you."

Until this reply I thought you were blissfully unaware. Now I know you're a prick.

[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 0 points 1 month ago

"Oh boy, I can't take these free cauliflowers because I live in a sketchy neighborhood where people are just going to steal it."

Said no one, ever.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Wow you just keep doubling down. For the food I already pointed out several problems which you now ignore. As for neighbors, in some areas you want as little contact as you can get. The others are right you've had one hell of a blessed life and are a complete prick a about it. Ciao.

[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 0 points 1 month ago

you've had one hell of a blessed life

I have indeed, and quite a lot of that is thanks to not complaining about being given free food when I was broke.

[-] Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Blessed as fuck. Damn, you're lucky. Never strolled through the ghetto, never been homeless, never had to carry fucking weight. You're soft as fuck. Not a man.

[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today -1 points 1 month ago

Says the guy who can't be bothered to cook some free fucking cauliflower.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 month ago

Except for the fact that a lot of these people aren't capable of managing money.

They are on the street because they have serious issues

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago

Turns out that money is one of those things that the less you have of it, the harder it is to manage.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It is also a bit tricky when you can't read or write and are struggling with schizophrenia, bipolar and other disruptive issues. And that is before you take in account all of the drug and alcohol addiction.

[-] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one -1 points 1 month ago

And who's supporting them?

Clearly not you.

[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't get it, if this is government funded, when you guys submitted the funds request, or when you discussed your contract with the company that sends you the food, shouldn't you have added like, in a contract, what happened not only when you receive the produce, but the expected amounts and what procedure you will follow if those amounts did not match, either exceeding or lacking?

Seems like a HUGE oversight to me. Did it ever occur to them that you could either not receive anything or receive too much?

Unless you all did and it exceeded your calculations by far (and even then I'd argue that whoever did your calculations fucked up and you lot should have either review it again or rejected the offer altogether) this is all on whoever said "that sounds like a great idea let's do it"

Unless it didn't matter? In which case why the worry? This surely must have happened thousand of times by now in that case

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