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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
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https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

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Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 16 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Well Hexbear crew, looks like our analysis was correct on Israel running low on anti-missile defenses. Israel has between 10-12 days of anti-missile munitions without resupply from the U.S.

Link to separate discussion post & Link to the article

Per Washington Post:

Without resupplies from the United States or greater involvement by U.S. forces, some assessments project Israel can maintain its missile defense for 10 or 12 more days if Iran maintains a steady tempo of attacks, said an individual briefed on U.S. and Israeli intelligence assessments, adding that as early as later this week, Israel’s systems may only be able to intercept a smaller proportion of missiles because of a need to ration defensive munitions. “They will need to select what they want to intercept,” said the individual, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter. “The system is already overwhelmed.”

[-] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 12 points 2 hours ago

Well there's our answer on why the US is deploying right now, if they don't the Entity risks annihilation at the hands of Iran's missiles.

[-] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 7 points 2 hours ago

100%

Well done by everyone here with analysis of each barrage that we were able to piece this together so much sooner than Israel would ever admit

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 11 points 2 hours ago

Explains why the US is jumping in when they are.

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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 30 points 2 hours ago

I remember reading about how an invasion of Iran by the US would have been much worse than what happened in Iraq. It would probably be more like Afghanistan because of Iran's size and mountainous terrain.

I don't think the USA is going to invade, but I strongly believe they will bomb, or at least try to bomb, some Iranian targets and cities.

[-] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 25 points 2 hours ago

Afghanistan is a balloon party compared to what Iran would be, I cannot imagine a situation where the US tries to land boots on the ground.

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 8 points 2 hours ago

I think they only do this if there is a significant collapse of the Iranian state and they want to “secure the nuclear materials”

They won’t step foot in Iran with conventional forces until the state is basically destroyed though, which would presumably take years and years of constant bombing

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 41 points 3 hours ago

Whispers of rumors that the 5th fleet that's stationed in Bahrain has been deployed to the seas. Whether or not this is a combat deployment or a bout of nuclear chicken brinksmanship, or even fake news will only be known with time.

[-] Crucible@hexbear.net 27 points 2 hours ago

I wish a very millenium challenge to all of these ships

[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 28 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

It's true that ships have left Bahrain. Not sure exactly which.

Source, well connected to the US Navy

[-] gingerbrat@hexbear.net 23 points 3 hours ago

I'm scared of what this will mean if it's not fake news. Fuck.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 19 points 3 hours ago

At best, it's for the fleet to make guard duty easier with a mobile force on observation duty, at worst we're going to enter a new epoch.

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[-] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 12 points 2 hours ago

What makes this fleet more significant than the other naval forces building up around the gulf?

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 12 points 2 hours ago

All the other fleets have huge fuck off regions they patrol through while the 5th is exclusively stationed to patrol the arabian peninsula, Iran's coast, and the horn of Africa.

[-] hotspur@hexbear.net 9 points 2 hours ago

At least from that tweet, not much—it lists a littoral combat ship, 3-4 mine countermeasures ships and a spec ops ship or something. So utility, but not anything amazing in its own right. The announcement the tweet is replying to suggests that all of the ships are leaving port (not just the US ships) to spread out and not be sitting there at docks stationary inside range of potential attacks. Also the 5th fleet, which I assume these are a subset of, sounds like it is stationed in the Middle East anyway, so not as remarkable compared to news that, like a major element of the pacific or European fleet have redeployed into the Middle East.

[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 17 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

AWACS aircraft, E-3 Sentry, accompanied by a KC-135 mid air refueling aircraft, over Italy on the way to the Middle East.

Most worrying aircraft deployment so far.

[-] jack@hexbear.net 10 points 2 hours ago

Most worrying aircraft deployment so far.

Why?

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[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 17 points 3 hours ago

Missile attack over, Israel has told it's citizens that they can exit shelters. Didn't see any impacts in Tel Aviv.

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 19 points 3 hours ago

Al Mayadeen says explosions heard in Haifa, but unclear if that is a hit or interception

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[-] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 42 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

“Macron: Trump's position on Iran appears to have changed since yesterday.“

You stupid fucking clown.

“ The Zionist Home Front Command urges settlers to enter shelters.”

[-] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 35 points 3 hours ago

"Emmanuel, nice guy, but he doesnt get it right too often" - Trump yesterday

[-] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 26 points 3 hours ago

He’s so fucking funny

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 26 points 3 hours ago

There's a legit guy on Bluesky that reposts Bloomberg stuff and it's always in all caps. IT MAKES EVERYTHING LOOK SILLY BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO?

MACRON: I HAVE THE BEST RELATIONSHIP IN THE WORLD WITH TRUMP

MACRON: US SHOULD HAVE LESS DEBT AND CONSUMPTION

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[-] ColombianLenin@hexbear.net 8 points 2 hours ago

Rant: It sucks that the only thing going "OK" in the world, geopolitics wise, is the war in Ukraine.

Everything else makes me depressed. What kind of world is worth living in where it's just shittier and shittier?

At this point I kinda WANT China to become the new hegemon, maybe then they wouldn't be such passive shits.

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 11 points 2 hours ago
[-] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 11 points 2 hours ago

Important decision, they're launching an all out order of pizza

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[-] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 14 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Video in link. Not good folks

⚡️⭕️ Israel bombs the Iranian capital Tehran

https://xcancel.com/ME_Observer_/status/1935056334891925720#m

Edit: people saying in the comments it's an old video so maybe fake

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 35 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

A BBC explanation

Many of those deciding to leave Tehran are posting images of their homes online, a poignant trend in Persian-language social media for those leaving their city behind.

Example on Tiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@ayparamobina/photo/7516521667716304145

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How can I copy and paste text from Tiktok? I don't have an account and it blocks me.

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[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 101 points 4 hours ago

Everyone, while this is not news, If you've been following my posts over the past few months, you can see that I've been covering the US military buildup in the Middle East against Iran quite extensively. Seeing it all come to fruition after ringing the alarm bell for months, it's nightmarish, I'm feeling sick honestly. Everyone in Iran that uses this website, please stay safe.

[-] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 25 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

imo you're one of the best regular posters on these threads. good, publicly available military analysis is almost exclusively the domain of chuds (or at least people who are not actively anti-imperialist) and so your presence in these threads is both unique and very valuable.

order-of-lenin

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[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 32 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Israeli sources are posting "I have no other country even if my land is burning" in Hebrew and Israeli flags (very sickening I know), along with a big exclusive story coming up. (All their exclusives have been accurate so far). Think this is it folks, the US is going to pull the trigger.

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 23 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

no other country

How about America? These dipshits are the definition of having other countries lmao. They have an easier time fleeing and relocating than literally anyone else on Earth would in a conflict

[-] supafuzz@hexbear.net 24 points 3 hours ago

huh I wonder why "your" land is burning

I wonder what might have led to that

[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 27 points 3 hours ago

History begins every time Israel is attacked

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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 39 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

The office of former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denies the reports about his assassination, says he is in good health.

  • Telegram

I think Ahmadinejad still lives for free in the minds of many Israelis. In any case, last year Ahmadinejad reported that someone had sabotaged his car, and it was suspected that the main culprits were either Mosssad or the IRGC.

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[-] sisatici@hexbear.net 20 points 3 hours ago

the thing is, even if iran gets an absolute victory, this would persuade people from being china's allies in the future

"china just stood there and watch as their second most important ally was invaded. now, do you want to anger the west without getting any support from your new ally. do you have even more resources and manpower than iran to protect yourself. if not, you should not delay the inevitable and kneel before usa"

[-] geikei@hexbear.net 34 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Literally no global south's goverment was or is under any delusion that China would militarily intervene and fight a war against the US and Israel in Iran. No country was basing any amount of the relations it builts with China on any assumption that they would militarily intervene to defend them. What more most know that China doesnt even have the capability to do so in 90% of the globe currently. If China helps and doesn’t have the means to affect the concrete outcome by force in Iran that would be much worse for its credibility. Beyond military intervention any developing country wanting to create some deterence against the US and their allies can at this point can approach China and try to get in line to buy some non western modern military equipment. Or join some military coordination and tech sharing (for older stuff but still). If they really want to get under China's sphere of influence and protection they can go to Beijing and ask to host Chinese military bases. I cant tell you how positive China's response would be in each individual case and approachment but why tf would any country expect China to use military and economic force protect them if they dont attempt any of these stuff. I made a comment yesterday wondering if Iran even did these stuff earnestly or attempted and expected in any shape or form to have China intervene and help them militarily. Ah and iran also shows that China will trade with you even if you are under economic warfare from the west, which is more usual than actual invasions and matters to countries even more

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 47 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Most countries in the Global South would still ally themselves with China because China is the USA's main economic rival and, although China rarely interferes in wars and internal politics, it invests a lot of money in these countries. The CPC also has ties with multiple political parties.

[-] hotspur@hexbear.net 8 points 2 hours ago

I think the constant messaging about China being the next regional hegemon and regional alliances being developed to counter US hegemony leads to a false sense of equivalency. The relationship that US has with Israel, or even NATO, is not really mirrored in a real way yet among BRICS or China/Russia/Iran, etc. they have mutual interests (or grievances I guess) and incentive to cooperate to counter western trespass on their sovereignty, but they’re not at the level where they have mutual defence agreements where they will step in and get involved directly militarily if something like this happens.

China has military build up, but has not been a bellicose power yet—they mostly operate via economic power and diplomacy up to now, and so I don’t think most of their partner countries would assume they would show up with an army to support them if they were invaded.

They might send aid or military supplies or something, that would be in the realm of possibility, but feels like that might even be too direct of a military involvement for their tastes?

[-] Stylistillusional@hexbear.net 9 points 2 hours ago

How is Iran China's 'second most important ally'? The Iranian economy is not that important to China, nor is their strategic cooperation particularly deep.

Hell, the Saudis are probably more important to China, yet they're not really allies either.

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[-] hotspur@hexbear.net 28 points 3 hours ago

So if (when) US gets officially and directly involved in attacking, my first assumption is it will look like the recent Yemen activity; lots of air strikes, stuff launched from boats.

But if the conflict deepens, I am curious to see what people think: would Trump admin do a draft for a ground invasion of Iran?

Ground invasion seems like a very poor idea generally, but since when has reality guided decision-making at the White House lately? This is total pie in the sky speculation, but the war regardless would be unpopular at home, and any move to deploy actual infantry even more so.

They’ve already spent the last few months getting the country used to crackdowns on protests, as well as using fed law enforcement and military assets to terrorize people unaccountably. They also have shown they give mostly zero fucks about courts and will shoot first and ask questions later at all times.

Given Trump’s scheme to use ICE to harass democrat/blue cities, if they did do a draft, why not use it to disproportionately grab liberal/left voters and box em up/sacrifice them to the mill? You could take all of the data they've stolen from agencies and had palatir compile to target it, just like they’ve been practicing with the immigration crackdown. Would be a good way to liquidate some opposition and chill what will otherwise be a potentially hot and spicy summer, etc. you could make draft dodging a method of removing citizenship of your enemies, or use the heightened tensions at the border to interdict people trying to flee. Trump could even couch it all in WW2 glorious war effort bullshit to try and give it some sort of shine.

Anyway, I suspect this is pretty far fetched, but would appreciate your counter points and corrections to help me discard this concept so I can move on to being anxious about one of the thousands of other grim things that loom on the horizon.

[-] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 41 points 3 hours ago

If they start drafting it’s your duty as a communist to get arms training and frag as many as you can before or on deployment

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