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[-] Sauvandu60@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

Iran isn't needed to know that WhatsApp and meta is bad.

[-] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 9 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

(Somewhat unrelated to the subject, but I felt like writing my thoughts on Iran in general.)

Iran being a Shia theocracy seems repressive and backwards to us, and surely they are as theocracies tend to be. This means that thinking about Iran westerners tend to think they themselves are on the good side, while Iran is on the bad side. But this is fundamentally wrong and the west is clearly the bad actor, given that it does not have any legitimate interests in the area and only engaged for imperialistic reasons.

If you look at Iran's history you'll learn that the Islamic Revolution of Iran was a response to western influences, and those western influences came along with the 1953 coup d'etat. And this coup d'état was supported by the US & UK. And the only reason this was done was for the purpose of oil. It was in reaction to Iran trying to nationalize it's oil industry, which obviously was a good idea, but bad for the western imperialists. So you install a puppet regime, that begs for a revolution, and surprise surpise, there's a revolution and it happens to be religious and conservative. So ever since the people of Iran have been stuck with it's theocracy, Undeniably this is in part the fault of the West.

Then of course there is the anti-Israel stance of Iran, which is constantly used as proof of Iran being evil. But if just for a second you try to look at Israel from the perspective of someone from the Middle East, you'll see that Israel is a colonial state, founded by zionists who from the very start commited ethnic cleansing to secure their state. The Nakba isn't talked about much in the west, but just try to imagine a similar event happening in your region of the world by foreign powers, and you'll understand the impact that would have. That is not forgotten after a few decades, especially because Israel is still driving people from their lands and colonizing it till this very day. This isn't ancient history, this is in the present. They even returned to committing genocide all over again. Also, Israel has been the base for the US influence in the region and all the wars and interventions that come with that. How can you possibly expect Iran to not view Israel as their mortal enemy? Just imagine a Middle Eastern colonial state located in Europe or the US, created by ethnic cleansing the local population. We'd view that state as a mortal enemy and want to drive these people of our lands. I am not saying this is the proper thing to do, I am saying it's obvious that this sentiment is broadly shared. It's hardly surprising. Victims tend to have harsh views of those who attacked them.

And Iran is being attacked again, supposedly for developing nuclear weapons. Meanwhile Israel has had nuclear weapons since the 60s. But in the views of westerners this is not a problem, because Israel is good, being a democracy and all that, while Iran is bad, being a theocracy. But these are all just western frames. Why in the world would a bomb be in safe hands with a hyperagressive colonial ethnostate that has repeatedly engaged in ethnic cleanings? But not in the hands of an admittedly backwards, conservative theocracy, that wants to secure itself from western imperialism. The Iranian interest in having a bomb seems completely reasonable actually. Again, just imagine a Middle Eastern colonial hyperagressive ethnostate founded by the ethnic cleansing of your local communities. And now they have nuclear bombs. And not only that, Middle Easterns powers are constantly engaging in wars all across your region. Would it be unreasonable for you to also want a nuclear bomb in such a situation? It's a no brainer.

And as much as I dislike theocracies, I can't help but think that if the west wasn't as imperialist as we have been and still are, Iran would've developed into something completely different. Iran/Persia has always been the center of regional powers, from the Achaemenids 500 bc till today. It's a beautiful country, they have a beautiful and rich history and they have an incredible culture, from the Islamic geometry, to the persian miniatures, to the incredible Sufi poets. You can't expect a proud people as they are to lie back and be dominated by western imperialism. And the more you repress people, the more they're bound to turn to theocractic conservatist populism.

TL:DR we're not the good guys, Iran are not the bad guys.

[-] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 8 points 6 hours ago

The world needs to move to digital sovereignty. It's amazing to think that a country like Iran, that is constantly under threat of the US, has so many people using Whatsapp, and probably relying on much more US software.

[-] libre_warrior@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Imperialist outlet Independent privacy washing surveillance messager Meta Whatsapp. They are platforming might - that is Meta Whatsapp spokesperson - instead of privacy focused organizations such as Electronic Frontier Foundation. Painting Iran as paranoid after litterally being attacked by zioni supremacist ruledom.

Now let's be clear. Morality police is bad. Women Life Freedom. They are suppressing humanity. But this work is made to embolden Israel and western might.

Side with folks instead. We need to enblossom the folks at ground so that they can become independent of might.

[-] BruceAlrighty@lemmy.nz 0 points 9 hours ago

hit the gym, get a divorce

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 day ago

Everyone should delete these spyware tools from their devices.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 18 points 1 day ago

Lol... Imagine when then Normie's useage of westoid softslop turns into a national security issue

Meta got Israeli spooks within ints corporate structure. All of the mega corps have these vermin. They are every where. US spooks are are also there. But I don't get why they permit Israelis in...

[-] pinkapple@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 hours ago

Zucc himself is a zio, they don't even need to infiltrate that one.

[-] NKBTN@feddit.uk 48 points 1 day ago

"We do not collect your precise location".

So... just like, to the nearest 10 metres then?

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 9 points 9 hours ago

"We do not provide bulk information to any government"

So, only on the most important politicians and nuclear scientists?

[-] NKBTN@feddit.uk 1 points 3 hours ago

"Just the people they're interested in"

[-] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 54 points 1 day ago

I can't believe i agree with iran.

[-] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 day ago

what's unbelievable about it

[-] Jaderick@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Authoritarian Islamic fundamentalism.

[-] pinkapple@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

The "humanitarian", "right 2 protect" intervention propaganda bs is dead and buried after Gaza. Nobody loves religious extremists more than the USA, both domestically and internationally. The primary western whataboutist complain about adversaries is some "freedom of religion" crap, usually because the US is secretly funding literal jihadi butcher separatists to destabilize sovereign nations. It's always the most rabid extremists, religiously and politically that end up working for the US and then bite the hand that fed them by becoming Al Qaeda and ISIS.

Crickets about the Uyghur jihadis showing up as Al Qaeda forces in now "liberated" shariah law Syria. Crickets about Syria in general. Constant whining about a mostly secular state with far more rights than now, then sponsoring fanatics that curtail all these rights and go about chopping people's heads off in the street but not a word now because Syria aligns itself with the West, not because it's more democratic. Tons of whining about Iran instead of the head chopping Syrian jihadis type of "philanthropy".

Why are the jihadis around? Because the USA has already outlawed all the secular (usually communist) organizations in the Middle East for decades and declared them terrorists. Nobody hates secular organizations in the Middle East, Asia and Africa more than the USA because they're the least likely to become collaborators.

We can go on to the secondary whataboutist canard that involves doubting the democratic nature of foreign governments (whenever they're able to resist getting toppled by the CIA boys somehow). This has become just refusing to accept election results by default even when international observers are present and don't find any irregularities like in Venezuela. Elections that bring up some ultra right nutjob that loves Murica and turns his country to a neoliberal banana republic like Milei are always legitimate, but when Chaves and Maduro win they're always illegitimate for no reason other than not serving US interests. The US State Department main job is just lying all day long.

We should just bring up this matter to the UN after abolishing the undemocratic security council and the veto right that the USA has abused to continue genocides. Based on the American narrative both Republicans and Democrats accuse each other of stealing and rigging elections so at least one side must be correct. The US is infamous for gerrymandering and artificially preventing minorities from voting anyway (that didn't even have the right to vote until the 60s, imagine the level of hypocrisy it takes for the US apartheid to wag the finger towards anyone about elections). So maybe it should be invaded by every UN member to restore democracy since the US loves both democracy and invasions to restore it so much.

In fact I bet that plenty of Americans would actually fully welcome an invading force if its only goal would be to abolish the federal government and let them all vote for local fully sovereign governments instead. So maybe circulating this idea might come back to bite interventionists sooner than later.

[-] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

As opposed to western "Divine Secular Absolutism"? Real funny looking words you got there, when stringed together.

Authoritarianism is a dumb, useless and meaningless term, when you understand that every state assumes authority (name me one country that doesn't assume authority, therefore isn't "authoritarian").

1979 happened because you libs couldn't stop trying to meddle in Iran's affairs.

Coulda saved spared us from the dogwhistle by just saying "they're not white".

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 day ago

Authoritarian as in not allowing westerners to take over the country resources.

[-] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

insert burger index goodness report here

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[-] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Every state has authority over its citizens but some of them let women drive and not have to stay covered up and unable to move around or do anything eithout a man and don't support child marriage.

Hope this distinction helps!

To be clear fuck Israel they started this shit with Iran and I dont support it. But for you to say Iran isn't authoritarian is ignorant of the facts.

[-] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

out of these things you said, so far iran is guilty of only requiring women to stay covered and, to a degree, child marriage (it's not a state policy, but marriage with girls as young as 9 years old is legal). as far as i know women in iran can drive (the last country where women were not allowed to drive was US ally saudi arabia) and are free to move around, work, study and such, notwithstanding the challenges that women face there (legal discrimination and the oppression that they suffer just by living in a capitalist country).

however, the liberation of women in iran won't come imposed by other nation states, especially the western capitalist ones, and certainly won't come as a result of a war against israel. they don't give a damn about the iranian people, be they women, queer, religious or ethnic minorities. the sionist establishment just want anyone that menace their grip over middle east off their necks, and that's what the iranian bourgeoisie are doing right now.

if you ask me what i think would be better, the working classes of both countries would team up to seize their military apparatuses and turn them against their elites. if that's not possible, anything that hurts western imperialism gives the world a small victory, regardless of whoever achieves them. we can take care of whoever punches the west later.

[-] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Iranian women have to get permission from their husbands to work and if a husband deems the employment of a woman to insult the honor of the family, he can revoke said permission at any time. If a woman is killed, the nearest living male relative can decide whether or not to forgive the murderer. This decision cannot be made by female relatives. A women's testimony can always be overruled if a man testifies the opposite. If the family of a murder victim wants to receive money instead of seeing the murdered hanged, the murderer has to pay only half the blood money if the victim was female. Leaving Iran without the husbands permission is prohibited.

Women are routinely banned from certain events like football games or other public spectacles. Women are more often rejected as candidates in "elections".

Rape has to be proven by at least three witnesses; spousal compensation ends, as soon as women leave their marital home.

Women are second class citizens in Iran. Not just through societal patterns, but by law.

I totally agree with you on your stance towards western involvement, but the amount of people outright denying that the IR is terrible for its people just disgusts me.

[-] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

The Enlightened Centrist has entered the chat!

Of course you focus on women because that's the desirable group of objects of which you most desire, so you project your desires on to "helpless", "hapless" women who need your "civilized" and "noble" ass "saving" from these "dirty barbaric orcs".

Every state has authority over its citizens but some of them let women drive

Women can drive in Iran.

not have to stay covered up

As opposed to Europeans depriving women of their dignities and forcing them to stay as uncovered as possible?

Dear white people of France: being forced to undress wasn't exactly the liberation I was longing for

Palestinian women detail Israeli sexual assaults in Kamal Adwan raid

unable to move around or do anything eithout a man

Iranian women can move around freely, it was definitely a much bigger case then for sure, but nowadays it's literally a non-issue..

don’t support child marriage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_in_Europe

[-] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Age of consent in Germany is the age at which 14 year old can fiddle each other and people up to 18. They can not marry adults.

Iran allows marriage after the occurrence of the first period.

You see the difference?

Oh, and the harshest European law against hijabs is France's asinine ban of full face coverage, which punishes the wearing of the niqab or tshador with a maximum fine of 150€. If one forces someone to wear these veils, they can be punished with a fine of up to 30.000€ and a year in prison. This law is horseshit, I wanna make that clear.

The Iranian law on Veils punishes the first offense with a suspended fine of 6.7 million toman, then on the second offense ramps up 13 million, then between 20 and 80 million and the fourth between 80 and 165. After the fifth, it's two to five years in prison. For not wearing a veil.

It gets even funnier: if you advocate for people to not wear a veil, and you did so in corporation with some non-iranian entity or person, you will immediately be sentenced to a fine of between 300 million and 550 million toman and 5 to 10 years in prison. You can even be sentenced to death if the court determines that your actions are spreading "corruption and evil on earth".

[-] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 hours ago

amazing, we have child sex defenders in chat now. I was hoping it would go without saying that child sex, regardless if it's between two children, is wrong. But when it's enshrined in your "civilized" laws, suddenly it makes it ok.

I'm not even going to entertain this further by conceding that Iran's marriage and consent laws are horrible, because they are and it goes without saying, and it's something that needs to be worked on stat. Take your disgusting, vile Westernophile shit out of here.

[-] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

A. Completely ignoring the veil laws, classic.

B. Adults raping children and adolescents is disgusting. Adolescents having sex with each other is a completely different thing. You wanna convict the 16 years old for having sex with their 15 year old partner? Is that "child sex" to you? I lost my virginity before I turned 18, should I go to jail? You should brush up on your definition of children.

[-] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 8 points 22 hours ago

One nitpick on your post, you posted the age of concent not the age of allowable marrage, in in some places those are diffrent numbers

This from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_age_in_the_United_States shows the earliest allowable marrage age in each state, and I promise you California's age of concent is greater than 0

[-] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 4 points 22 hours ago

I deliberately did that to basically demonstrate Western chauvinism in its rawest form. It's greater magnitudes more fucked up than anything chauvinists blab about. Also what the fuck is California lol.

[-] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 3 points 22 hours ago

I only brought it up because I know in the US marrage laws are often the same or lower than out age of consent laws (from wikipedia) so I think the marrage laws are more damning, atleast in the US

[-] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I have never seen evidence that women are not allowed to drive, and I have had Iranians tell me the contrary. IRNA Irans state news if it was not down from likely DDOS I would show you posted an immage of one of the dead from Israels attack, was a women without a head covering, agian there is no evidence I can find that it is a law, just a large cultural preference. Same think with a women in Iran being dependent on a man, I have seen no evidence for this outside of the Western press.

I just want to ask a clarification, are you saying anti-child marriage is a bad thing???

[-] Sandouq_Dyatha@lemmy.ml 2 points 21 hours ago

is ignorant of the facts.

didn't google if Iran allows women to drive

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[-] Jaderick@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Imagine trying to explain the concept of authority like a dipshit and then end it with an accusation of racism.

Could never be me lmao.

[-] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 3 points 12 hours ago

I can imagine, because it's almost always true of chronically Western libs parroting State Department buzzwords. Not really beating the allegations here.

Name one country that doesn't assume authority.

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[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Now, when you say "asks"...

[-] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 279 points 1 day ago

I am asking the world to delete Meta apps. Please.

[-] LukaFLBernaudeau@europe.pub 5 points 23 hours ago

Currently trying to delete WhatsApp and people I know are giving me a hard time...

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[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 43 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

“We do not provide bulk information to any government.”

Millions of dollars on the other hand…

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