Israel is the principal source of regional instability and terror and everyone and his dog knows this.
The kowtowing to Trump and his Zionist sponsors by the client states of the US Empire is an insult to objective reality.
Please don't make Iran out to be some sort of victim in all this. What Israel is doing is wrong, but Iran has funded a lot of terrorists throughout the years, and execute people in medival ways for holding hands with the "wrong" person.
The iranian government is pure fucking evil and deserves to die horrible deaths for what they instigate and fund around the world and in their local area.
It's a deep sarcasm that Western oil companies destabilized the Iranian monarchy, that * shockingly* wanted a piece of the pie in such a way it paved the way for islamist extremists to gain power.
Ian used to be pretty liberal and western minded, however westen meddling caused this extreme government.
But God forbid they get the means to (to use the Israeli turn off phrase) 'defend' itself, that would be horrendous.
Yes, yes, we all know Iran used to be liberal a very long time ago.
That ship has sailed, and the current regime isn't great, to say the very least.
Nuclear bombs would not be used to defend Iran. They would be used to defend Khamenei. In the same way that nukes are for defending that shit stain in Israel and not Israel.
Ik no fan of the current regime, I think both Israel and Iran would benefit from a regime change. There's nothing more moral on the Israeli side to explain them deserving nukes over anyone in that region.
But the hypocrisy is that the Western world directly caused this shit.
Dude. I don't disagree but this is not helpful. What's helpful is acknowledging that none of that matters to the US. Our greatest allies in the region have all of what you listed and more.
All this sentiment does is manufacture concent for this war. There is one constant factor in the west asia. A constant that continues to keep countries from being able to have civil rights movements, keeps their citizens impoverished, keeps dictatorships and monarchs in power while everyday people suffer.
That constant is US intervention and disruption of the region. Intervention against evil authoritarian rule only when that countries rulers don't allow US exploitation or threaten it's imperialist interest.
It serves no purpose what you're doing. Otherwise I think you should be more concerned about the US arming Saudi Arabia or Israel. Both of those countries have significantly more innocent people slaughtered under their rule.
Iran and it's people will only know civil liberties and equal rights when they are given the stability to have those movements of their own.
Do you think the best thing for the US civil rights movement would have been a bombing campaign from Canada? No.
Please. Again, I don't defend Iran if we're talking about it in a bubble. But the world does not work like that. And comments like yours only manufacture consent for the invasion of a country that attacked no one without first being attacked. That's it. We don't need to try to pick apart anything more than that.
If you care about gay people in Iran. You should care about them being bombed. End of story. That should be everyone utmost focus right now. There is no gay person in Iran right now thinking "oh, finally the bombs of freedom reign!". No, they are thinking "oh fuck, I need to get me and my family and friends out of here"
Sorry, a bit of a rant. So much so that I came back to re-edit the comment later. But, right now, I think it's really important that we don't fall for this type of narrative. The fascist controlling America are doing everything they can to manufacture concent with the Liberals.
The intentions of your comment are good and correct. But they are only helpful in a vacuum outside of the war mongering fascism that is rising.
If the only threat to Iran was it's civil rights violations you'd be right. But the threat to Iran right now is it's population experiencing what Gaza has for the last 21 months. Something I pray they don't experience.
“We will do anything to maintain the status quo, up to and including genocidal ethnosupremacy”!
I am honestly so revolted.
I believe ALL of the following;
My heart breaks for the Palestinian people who suffer and die for others' greed, ambition, and political squabbles.
Exactly. This is not a competition, we don’t have to cheer for either side. Horrible things are happening
My exact thoughts
I'd add:
And all that basically describes the opinion of 90% of the population just that vocal minorities are very vocal.
90 percent of the western population. The rest of the world is more sympathetic to the militant struggle against imperial genocide.
Ukraine gave up their nukes, look what happened to them. Libya gave their nuclear weapons program up, and look at them today. North Korea didn't, and they're still standing, for better or for worse. Iraq was accused of having nukes, but didn't have them, and got destroyed. Seems that if you want any semblance of sovereignty outside of NATO, you better have some nukes.
So for any nations reading along I'll summarize the basic conclusions:
Do you think Israel would be bombing Iran if they had nukes?
"Iran is two weeks away from nuclear capability" - Netanyahu: 2012, 2015, 2018, 2023, 2025
He started a lot earlier than 2012
Ukraine had nukes and gave them up. They were invaded.
Iraq gave up their WMD program after the first Gulf War. They were invaded again.
Iran definitely had a nuclear program, but doesn't appear to be pursuing it anymore. They're getting attacked and quite possibly will get invaded.
South Africa had a nuclear program and gave it up. Left alone.
The Great Powers, particularly the United States but also Russia, have shown that your country should just keep going once you start. Chances are, you'll get invaded, anyway.
This is not the way towards anti-proliferation.
China, India, and Pakistan once again proving that having nukes does actually matter because you can't be arbitrarily shoved around around by the only other nuclear powers.
it also helps if your air defense network doesn't collapse immediately because it turns out that in order to guard these nukes you need also regular capable conventional military
"Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,”
I guess we all just have to pretend Israel doesn't exist?
Tbf they both are...
But genocide against Palestinians is a-OK.
What does the "G" in G7 stand for? Gaslighting? Genocide? Grift? Maybe there are 7 Gs.
Nobody should have nukes, you fucking hypocrites..
Except France and the UK of course.
Religious zealots can't be allowed to have nukes. You have to at least masquerade as a well-adjusted nation while you develop the nukes and slowly massage your zealots into positions of power over a few decades. Those are the rules.
Why? If the West will allow Israel to live stream a genocide and both political parties in the US stick their fingers in their ears and make sounds like children, Iran has no choice but to pursue a nuke to defend itself.
Probably best for all of us if nobody can ever have nuclear weapons, but what do i know..
Israel is the criminal and everyone knows it.
Israel will face the long-term consequences of its reckless behavior. Just not today.
A disturbingly large group think that history started on October 7 2023 and prior to that it was all sunshine and rainbows in the region.
Those people didn't hear about 70ish years of Israeli bullshit on the nightly news so as far as they're concerned it didn't happen.
nobody should have nuclear weapons.
Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like if the scientists working on the Manhattan project had all agreed it's too much and intentionally sabotage every test.
Why not? The claims made by G7 members as to why are admissions - heck, one of the members has used nuclear weapons on civilians, and they’re still allowed to have them.
If anyone can, everyone can.
People with nuclear weapons have forbidden you from having nuclear weapons?
Humans are a goofy lot.
Well Pakistan will give them one if needed so they kind of already have one. Maybe stop pushing them to use it on Israel.
Whatever.
Don’t care if yanks go get blown up in the Middle East. It’s all in service of enriching Halliburton and the military industrial complex. Yawn. It is 2003 again?
Whatever happened to: “tRuMp iS tHe PeAcE pReSIdEnT”.
I thought the US was trillions in debt. There’s always money for war.
Can’t wait to laugh at this smoothbrained crew of assclowns as they try to fight a foreign war. Good luck maintaining those supply chains for US war mongering when the whole world fucking hates you.
FFS. Anyway. Next.
NO ONE should have them. Dumb asses.
7 pigs
Nukes for me but not for thee
Iran will have nukes. They don't have a choice. Not anymore. It's existentialism at this point. Israel has been trying to engineer a war against Iran for more than 30 years. All the while Iran has played along. IAEA inspectors and all that good shit. And it was all for nothing. Iran knows that now. So does everyone else.
If you're an adversary to the US and its Imperial interests then its a matter of when, not if. Doesn't matter if or how closely you follow their rules. They will come for you in time.
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