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‘Oh My God!’ CNN’s Data Guru Stunned By Democrats’ 70-Point Shift on Israel (www.mediaite.com)
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[-] BreathThroughTheTube@hexbear.net 92 points 10 months ago

Mainstream TV news is such shallow bullshit. They'll talk about the polling shifts like it's the score in a game, but they will never analyze why Democrats have swung so hard against Israel. No mention whatsoever of anything in material reality here. Just purely numbers in a vacuum.

[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 49 points 10 months ago

It's because their purpose isn't to inform, it is to spread hate. Data points are used not as a means of understanding, but of spreading fear and hatred. They do the same thing with Bad Guy Countries as well. They'll ignore reality and statistics when it suits them, only making reference to them when they can take a data point out of context to make their enemies look bad. (and in this case, the MSM is the enemy of the working class, so they'll try and make them look bad).

[-] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 87 points 10 months ago

This isn’t surprising to me. Outside of Christian Zionists and Jewish supremacists “support” for Israel was always extremely shallow. The American public largely supported Israel due to some vague understanding that they were our “ally”, and most had absolutely no idea of the Palestinian struggle at all. The ongoing genocide has been so evil that all these people with very unexamined, light support for Israel have been like “wait wtf”, and have switched positions as they have learned a bit more about the situation.

[-] BreathThroughTheTube@hexbear.net 58 points 10 months ago

their understanding was shallow because everyone kind of implicitly knew the issue was a landmine and just generally avoided looking deeper into it. It was very clear that your career would be absolutely destroyed if you ever voiced any support for Palestine whatsoever, so people just generally avoided touching the hot wire.

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 49 points 10 months ago

The Israelis were happy to stoke the "it's an ancient conflict - so complicated" narrative that people used as an excuse to ignore it

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

Yeeaaaah, this was me, up until around 2023. I totally ate up the "it's complicated", "ancient religious conflict", "they've been fighting forever" bullshit. Now I'm one of those annoying people who talks about Israel and Palestine to my partner every chance I get. You can tell it still makes people uncomfortable to talk about, probably because some actually think it's antisemitic to talk about, but way more people nod and agree with me then before. Even people my parents age, you know the low-key Islamaphobic af libs type, are saying, "I don't know why we're so ride or die for Israel. What do they do for us?" when I bring some up insane act they did or war they randomly stated.

I might even test this change of opinion by mentioning anti-Israel stuff in my most moderate-lib-filled group chats that I dare didn't bring it up before and see what happens.

[-] somename@hexbear.net 75 points 10 months ago

A certain breed of pollster is shocked by the idea that events, policy, and advocacy can actually change people’s views. That having a vision for the future, for something better, can actually shift opinions.

[-] VibeCoder@hexbear.net 31 points 10 months ago

Imagine the number of issues that are like this. That it would be possible to flip the reactionary public into a progressive fervor in under a decade.

[-] BreathThroughTheTube@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

we saw it with gay marriage and acceptance of homosexuality, although that's already being eroded it still was a massive leap forward that the entire public made from being complete homophobes into being more "orientation blind"

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago

mfw the environment in which I live in can simultaneously change and be changed by me

[-] Rom@hexbear.net 72 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They're acting all surprised by this, as if people haven't been loudly criticizing this genocide since it started.

[-] smokeppb@hexbear.net 73 points 10 months ago

The thing is that they wouldn't hear:

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 19 points 10 months ago

Most mature Amerikkkan politicians

[-] smokeppb@hexbear.net 71 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Holy toledo

But this is more shocking to me, the OLDER Dems are with the younger dems on disliking Israel, and only the older Republicans are still under 50% dislike

[-] SoloboiNanook@hexbear.net 48 points 10 months ago

Completely anecdotal, but even my lib mid 70s parents explicitly do not like israel. Of course they dont like "HAMAS" either, but they put the blame of all of this on Israel. And these are old former "independent" voters lol

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 47 points 10 months ago

Yeah that’s the big difference this time, people aren’t buying the “blame it all on the Palestinians” excuses from Zionists.

[-] Pentacat@hexbear.net 34 points 10 months ago

The more exposure Zionists get, the more normal people dislike them. Israel was much better off taking the free weapons in silence. Now everything is about them, and everyone is being called antisemitic. The gentiles are tired!

[-] BreathThroughTheTube@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

normies are taking the intellectually lazy and safe position of "I don't like Hamas or Israel, they should have peace already" and being called anti-semites for it. No better way to alienate them and force them into the pro-Palestine camp than the vicious demands for complete loyalty the zionists enforce.

[-] sexywheat@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

Their previous assaults on Gaza lasted only a few weeks, and once they started getting heat for it and enough eyes were on them, they cut that shit out. Then went back to their low-intensity genocide that could be easily ignored by the world.

Now that the Kahanists are in the Knesset they can no longer resist their bloodlust. Nobody on planet Earth (barring uncontacted Amazon tribes or whatever) is currently unaware of what's been happening in Gaza for the last 1.5 years.

[-] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 43 points 10 months ago

I know a lot of people who vote Republican. None of them under 45 support Israel. Older than that, it’s all racists and Christian Zionists.

[-] WoodScientist@hexbear.net 40 points 10 months ago

Those Christian Zionists all have a persecution fetish. They think they're being persecuted as they're actively building concentration camps for their enemies.

I say we give them what they want so badly. Let's give them the persecution they so desperately want. Let's start feeding Christians to lions again.

[-] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

Funny enough, lots of stories of persecution - like being fed to lions - were totally made up by Christians. Their persecution complex goes back centuries.

[-] Pentacat@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

LSFCTLA would look pretty sick on a hat or t-shirt.

[-] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

For even the most cynical treatlerites, it really does just boil down to "what have you done for ME lately?" From a naive perspective, Israel is nothing but a liability. From a critical perspective, Israel is nothing but a liability. To the institutionalist, "rule of law" liberals, Israel is nothing but a liability. To the "America First" nationalists, Israel is nothing but a liability. The only people who see merit in the cause of Israel are total cranks and zealots who truly believe the US or Israel (depending on who you ask) are ordained by God (and their secular cousins, the Atlanticists - the fundamentalists of American civic religion), who look forward to dying in a nuclear inferno on that hill. There are a lot of them though.

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 66 points 10 months ago

This is 100% the reason they keep trying to ban TikTok

[-] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 64 points 10 months ago

democrats finally remembering to oppose genocide now that the dang cheeto is doing it

[-] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 63 points 10 months ago

Makes the Harris campaign pretty funny to think back on. Gee I wonder why she lost

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 43 points 10 months ago

I remember arguing with someone who was adamant that clearly she wasn't mentioning it or letting any Palestinians in the DNC because there weren't that many pro-Palestine people in the Democratic party, despite me referencing polls and such. That she is probably better about it than Biden, but she has to hide that to get the votes to win the election, otherwise Trump will no doubt be worse. Even after the election, they thought Harris would have lost even worse if she brought it up.

It's good to have another source, although I'll have to be smooth about rubbing it in their face, because I'm not out here trying to lose friendships lol.

[-] AF_R@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

To this day I can’t believe they actually censored Walz’s “the expansion of Israel and its proxies are a fundamental necessity for the United States” quote from the VP debate off the internet

And all the blue MAGA just pretend it never happened

[-] Grapho@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago

oh my god what a dad energy, big heckin wholesomerino

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

I don't even remember that speech. Probably for the reason you mentioned. Can it be found anywhere?

[-] AF_R@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

Here’s the official transcript, CTRL+F “expansion” for the Walz quote. Seems they haven’t gotten so brazen as to doctor transcripts yet, just censor media. Or perhaps it’s another symbol of how bold the Dems have gotten in their complicity to fascism.

[-] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 54 points 10 months ago

Turns out genocide is pretty unpopular, maybe the democrats should take that in mind when making policies

[-] sexywheat@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

Democrats make policies?

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