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[-] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 days ago

The square is a parallelogram, this is not a parallelogram.

[-] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 100 points 1 week ago

This is why you specify that they are straight, parallel lines.

[-] AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 1 week ago

Perhaps this is just a projection of a square from a non-Euclidean space in which the lines are in fact straight and parallel.

I think the 2D surface of a cone (or double cone) would be an appropriate space, allowing you to construct this shape such that angles and distances around geodesics are conserved in both the space itself and the projected view.

This shape in that space would have four sides of equal length connected by four right angles AND the lines would be geodesics (straight lines) that are parallel.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I suppose you could get a shape like this if you tried to draw a square by true headings and bearings near the North pole of a sphere. "Turn heading 090, travel 10 miles. Turn heading 180, travel 10 miles." and so forth. Start at a spot close to the pole and this will be your ground track.

Actually no it isn't, because attempting to make a square you'd make four turns in the same direction, this would require turning left, right, right, left.

[-] potoo22@programming.dev 11 points 1 week ago

They could be if we're talking about non-euclidian geometry.

[-] credo@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago

I don’t remember all my geometric rules I guess, but can an arc, intersecting a line, ever truly be a right angle? At no possible length of segment along that arc can you draw a line that’s perpendicular to the first.

[-] filcuk@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago

An infinitely small segment of the arc can be.
Geometrically there isn't a problem. If you draw a line from that point to the center of the arc, it will make it clearer.

[-] credo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I guess if we define it as a calculus problem, I can see the point..

I didn’t mean to pun but there it is and I’m leaving it. Any way, there is no infinitely small section that’s perpendicular. Only the tangent at a single (infinitely small) point along a smooth curve, as we approach from either direction. Maybe that’s still called perpendicular.

[-] pooberbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

A right angle exists between the radius of the circle and the line tangent to the circle at the point that the radial line intersects it. So we can say the radius forms a right angle with the circle at that point because the slope of the curve is equal to that of the tangent line at that point.

[-] traches@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 week ago

but they aren’t parallel

[-] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago

And the right angles are supposed to be inside, not 2 out 2 in

[-] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I think that, in order to have this be a projection of a square, the space between the interior right angles of the space from which it was projected would have to be not just curved, but also twisted, like a Möbius strip, such that a person "walking" the square and starting from the rightmost angle leftward would start walking as if they were on your screen (their head coming out away from the screen), but then they would need to have their perspective twist so that they are now walking on the "underside" of the figure (their head now pointing into your phone). This would allow them to perceive the two "external" turns as "internal" turns, as well. Then it just needs to untwist on the way back. We just can't see the twisting, because the lines have no width.

[-] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago

They could be in some n-dimensional spaces

[-] cRazi_man@europe.pub 11 points 1 week ago

"That's ....like.....just your perspective, man"

[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

You could just use polar coordinates

[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago

Going off webster... it looks like this really is only stretching the lines to fit one adjective

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/square

[-] deikoepfiges_dreirad@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 week ago

Those are not 4 right angles, but 2 right angles and 2 angles of 270 degrees

[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 18 points 6 days ago

So 2 right angle and two wrong angle. Got it.

[-] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts will.

[-] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[-] logicbomb@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. Wikipedia calls a square a "regular quadrilateral," which seems like a decent enough definition.

Today I learned that when you make up your own inadequate definition, then it's easy to match the definition with something inadequate.

[-] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Fuck off, Diogenes!

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

It wasn't funny when Diogenes did it and it isn't funny now but it keeps getting reposted anyway and we have to pretend it is

[-] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

I understand Diogenes was usually the life of the party, so they just pretended it was funny.

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Philosophers of that era spend a lot of time drunk.

I mean who the fuck dies from laughing to death at a donkey eating figs?

[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Explain it to a ball

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