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As per title, I am curious. How does your mind / your thoughts work? I only ever experienced my own thoughts, so I'm curious how it works for other people.

I for one feel like my thoughts sometimes are like me talking to myself silently. Sometimes I can even let out a random short sound, which I've come to start disguising by laughing kinda quietly or coughing or whatever. Like it was part of something, and not like an inner monologue almost leaking out.

So, how do your thoughts work?

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[-] Today@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I have no sound, voice, or pictures in my head. I didn't know that other people did see/hear things until a couple of years ago. Thoughts just come in chunks.

[-] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago

Me to. It’s called Aphantasia (no minds eye, so some or no pics) and Anendophasia (No inner voice). For me my thoughts are “just there” almost impossible to explain.

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

The way I explain it is: when you read, you don't read the words aloud in your head. You look at them and register their meaning. My thoughts are just those meanings. Usually in larger chunks than single words though. They don't have a language. I can 'picture' sounds I've heard before though, like getting a song stuck in my head. That one's more difficult with pictures.

[-] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago

Uuh, yes, yes I do read them aloud in my head.

[-] 200ok@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Same. And depending on what I'm reading I'll sometimes use a specific voice..

Like if I'm reading a text from a friend I'll "hear" it in their voice. Or I'll make up voices for characters in a novel.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

I think people are sometimes taught out of that since it slows down reading

[-] QuizzaciousOtter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

This is not a good explanation because as someone already pointed out a lot of (most?) people do "read the words aloud in their head". For me, I often even make tiny moves of my tongue and larynx - see subvocalization.

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Interesting, everyone I've told this to said that is indeed how they read!

Does reading something quietly take as long as reading something out loud for you? It's hard to imagine!

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[-] Today@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

When I get a song stuck (which happens constantly) I don't hear it; I just have the unrelenting urge to sing it.

[-] Today@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I couldn't understand what it's like for people who actually see and hear things in their heads. I recently realized that I sometimes experience a faint taste and I guess it's sort of like that?

[-] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

I can taste food ok. Too ok, I seem to be some sort of super taster. Everything is to overpowering.

It scares me to think you could have pictures or movies in your head that you may not wish to have.

[-] i_am_not_a_robot@feddit.uk 9 points 1 month ago

There was a bit of discussion about this on a podcast I listen to (Adrift) earlier in the year.

My mind is basically me taking to myself. As I write this I'm speaking all the words in my head. As I read it back I'm reading all the words in my head.

I believe there's a school of thought that you shouldn't read the words to yourself when you are reading, bit I have to do that otherwise it doesn't go in. I can read a page without the words being spoken in my head but I will then have no idea what any of the page said, v and have to re-read it. Same if my mind wanders while reading - anything I read whilst my internal voice is talking about something else will not go in.

I can't shut it up. If I think about nothing, my internal voice will literally be saying "I need to think about nothing. I should empty my mind. How do you think about nothing?".

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

It's extra fun when you know multiple languages since that voice also changes languages

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You ever been in a crowded space with hundreds of people talking all at once? You can hear everyone, but not enough to really make out anything except once in a while when someone gets louder than everyone else.

That's what my thoughts are like when I am not high on weed.

When I am high, the crowd shuts the fuck up and I can actually focus on a single, complete thought.

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[-] Bunbury@feddit.nl 6 points 1 month ago

I switch between having language based thoughts and more abstract thoughts that aren’t language based. I find that my thoughts that aren’t language based are usually more complex. I also can imagine objects, rotate them or walk around familiar places in my mind. Oh and my language based thoughts tend to match the language I am speaking at the moment (I am trilingual).

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[-] Etterra@discuss.online 5 points 1 month ago

There's three hamsters running on a wheel in shifts up in my skull.

[-] RBWells@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I do have thoughts in words, language. I don't exactly hear or see it but it's definitely language based. Often two levels of thought, one superficial and another underneath, thinking about those superficial thoughts.

[-] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I hold no capacity for mental imagery, so a 5 on the Aphantasia Scale. When I think of things I do not consciously ask a question or engage in an inner monologue, either internally or externally, but instead become aware of the information that I need. My information is all stored with like information, so if you asked me about a person, then I get all of the information I have on that person including our previous conversation as though no time had passed. This makes people uncomfortable though, so I try not to reference things to specifically.

Similar to another poster here, I also hear voices, which range from background murmuring like a crowded restaurant to focused 1:1 interactions, though these are usually very brief. Additionally, I will 'hear' various noises and have gotten pretty good at not reacting to stuff until I gauge other peoples' response.

I am not particularly creative. I cannot draw or create art, but I can recreate things that are in front of me.

I don't know if that makes sense, and I am happy to answer questions if I didn't describe it well.

[-] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My mind works by talking to itself, but it's more like I'm the wordless overseer of that voice. There is a lesser maybe faux alter ego's voice that's employed to bounce ideas off of or used for introspection, to humble myself, conceptualization, etcetera, but it can only talk to myself even out loud. If there's another person present they're only talking to primary.

Where I differ from many minds like other self talkers here it seems is that I have full control over the two voices employed by my ego, and if I stop talking it's silent in my skull. Since I also have Total Aphantasia it's a true void in here besides my emotions and hind brain/instincts unless I'm using the voice(s). No real distinction between thinking in my head and speaking out loud.

The unconscious mind passes stuff it processes to the voices to think about. More nuance is far more paragraphs than worth, so I'll leave it there.

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[-] FRYD@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

I had a serious TBI when I was a kid and more than 15 concussions so my eggs are a bit scrambled.

I can’t sustain a mental image, I can only visualize flashes of things. If I try to hold on to a mental image, it’s just a series of flashes that quickly become warped until the image just kinda dissolves and I have to imagine a new one. I also kinda of can’t remember faces. I can recognize people, but I can’t describe anyone’s face or remember/visualize details. I can only describe my own face as a list of features I’m aware of, but I can’t visualize it nor do I recognize myself in photos.

Verbal thought usually comes in the form of a dialogue between myself and an imagined other person. There’s no one there and I knowingly come up with the question the other will ask, but I can’t just think to myself without quickly losing track.

I also have ADHD, OCD, and major depressive disorder, so I also have the symptoms and episodes of those rattling around up there. I’m not sure if I’d call them thoughts though, because they feel different.

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[-] cRazi_man@europe.pub 3 points 1 month ago

I'm at about level 2 on this scale:

My thoughts are a lot of imagery imagination. There are "words" to go along with it, but there certainly isn't an extensive monologue/narrative/conversation going on.

[-] Today@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I'm a 4-5. Sometimes I can get like a wire frame sketch of the general shape of something.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

If I have seen it less than about a hundred times, it is a 5. I will have some key words that let me describe it successfully to other people, but I can't actually picture it.

If I have seen it fairly regularly for a few years, or haven't seen it for several years, probably a 4.

If I have seen it for decades, it might be a 3. Apples, which I see at least every few days is a 3.

[-] AllToRuleThemOne@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

5 to me, but my thinking is talking to myself and reading is reading the words out loud in my mind. What am i?

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[-] Darohan@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I have both voiced and unvoiced thoughts in my head, depending on what "level" the "thinking" is at. Like others in this thread, I heard every word of this comment as I typed it, as well as a few other times as I ideated and rephrased it before typing. However, some things, particularly practiced things, just happen without any "speaking", and I just get a notion of the end result. This sometimes leads to a weird thing where, when I'm concentrating on something, both the voiced and unvoiced "threads" will do the same thing, but the voiced thoughts move at the speed of speech, and so the unvoiced thoughts get there first, and then have to wait for the voiced thoughts to catch up. I then get to wonder why I just thought the same thing twice, and why I waited for the voiced thread to finish at all when I already knew the outcome. It's also not always just my own voice (though usually), I'll set up "straw-men" to represent a certain viewpoint or person if something needs that level of consideration, or I want to prepare for a difficult conversation (or reflect on one that went poorly) - I've seen memes about similar things, so I think that's pretty usual.

Similarly, when reading, I hear every word (not always in my own voice, characters and narrators sometimes get their own), but if I really get into the flow then parts will move into the unvoiced stream and I get much clearer images of what's going on (I'm a 1-2 on the aphantasia scale depending on concentration and familiarity) - that state is hard to get to, though.

No idea if any of that's normal or not, I've never really thought to talk to anyone about it.

Also, I occasionally have a small part of the inner monologue slip out as whispered speech too, like you said, though I don't tend to cover it up, if people ask I just say "oh, sorry, just thinking out loud a bit".

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[-] And009@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 month ago

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4538954/

Long read, talks about internal monologue. I have some undiagnosed issue, possibly ADD.

My monologue (sometimes dialog) keeps changing every other week and difficult to keep track of.

[-] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think as if in duality at times. I've come to think of it like the subconscious or one brain half that doesn't know words injecting impressions, solutions, wants, into my conscious other brain half.

I think I can vaguely grasp how it can be that people have voices or other personalities in their head. I do not, though if my other brain half had developed a voice I'd be fucked. But that's just how I perceive it.

Well, I do very occasionally tell myself I'm an idiot verbally when a cringy social interaction flashback hits me again. I hate that.

In any case I can visualize memories easily, even if details are unreliable and gaps are often filled with most probable placeholders created by imagination. Similar to dreams perhaps.

I've wattched my mind go to different states of self perception which I find interesting and jarring. Sometimes it shows me self perception that I like, which motivates me and makes me happy about myself and confident. Sadly those shifts in perception are hard to keep alive for long, hard as I might try.

My thinking happens in words and images equally, depending on the task. While writing this the right words just come from an unknown source and what I want to say is a concept finding it's way with these words. As if one part is showing what message I want to deliver in words while a seperate process hands out the right words checking each word if it still conveys the intended meaning.

I analysed this while writing this and now feel like there is an type if LLM setup in my head as a component.

[-] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 2 points 1 month ago

I'm a 1 on the aphantasia scale with maladaptive daydreaming. I am suffering.

[-] MTK@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

For me it is an internal monologue with a silent audience that contributes without a voice.

My internal monologue might say "is this thing I am about to do a good idea?" And a wordless thought will provide a second opinion which my internal monologue would interpret and possibly reply to.

[-] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm in the "inner monologue" camp. Most of what I think materialises as thought words. I don't have to move anything in my throat to do that unlike OP though, I can think in words without mumbling to myself.

But I know the voice can't be all. It's difficult for me to think in words while actively saying something, but I can have new thoughts while speaking. Sometimes, I get interrupted in thinking mid-sentence, but then I return to that sentence to finish it because... it's just satisfying? It's not that I learn anything new.

I feel like I don't have very much imagination any more. Its hard to produce images in my mind, not impossible but I do have to concentrate - remembering images is easier.

Weirdly, way harder to me: imagining a voice. Inner voice is what I sound like to myself, I can remember and replay songs and quotes as I heard them, but having any voice say anything is hard, especially female voices. Went through some examples in my head couldn't make anyone say anything - until I thought to make different tf2 mercs sing "Oh Canada", that somehow worked despite me definitely not having heard that before. Brains are weird.

[-] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

If I've been listening to an audio book, or a tv series my inner monologue can take on the voice of the narrator or main character. I'm always afraid I'm going actually speak out loud like them, but it's never happened.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My thoughts are the bald guy from the six flags dancing 24/7 to the song from the commercial.

[-] otacon239@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I’ve definitely had the internal thoughts “leak” like you’re describing. I tend to think in almost another space outside of myself where sometimes I will forget my senses and have to actively return to them. Like I’m walking away briefly from the drivers seat to go take care of something in the back of the truck. I tend not to do this with others around as it can be rude. With others, I’m much more stream of consciousness.

[-] wabafee@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Either it's random flashes of images/videos or certain random memory from a long time ago, a certain tune/music being played on repeat, or inner mind just constantly asking questions. When I'm really focus on something all those noise are gone.

[-] stinky@redlemmy.com 1 points 1 month ago

schizophrenia here, my inner monologue is often conversational, like a string of words I'd speak to a person. and if I listen closely, I hear faintly a man or woman repeating the thought out loud, with emotion like confusion or contempt

[-] RedPostItNote@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago
[-] stinky@redlemmy.com 2 points 1 month ago

Yes, as a Westerner I'd agree with the study's findings. The people I hear are harsh, not mirthful.

And I am struck by this:

the voices were an intrusion and a threat to one’s private world – the voices could not be controlled.

It's an invasive feeling, like an outsider in your head, digging around for things that hurt and embarrass you, then saying those things aloud. It makes you powerless, all you can do is sit there while someone yells out your most shameful thoughts, and there's no stopping them.

[-] RedPostItNote@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Fascinating. I hope science can bring relief to this.

[-] stinky@redlemmy.com 2 points 1 month ago

I've seen this before, but after a re-read, I found this:

In an interview, Luhrmann said that American clinicians “sometimes treat the voices as if they ... should be ignored. Our work found that ... the way people pay attention to their voices alters what they hear their voices say. That may have clinical implications.”

Yes, definitely. The people I hear are only ever critical or offensive, and "they" have learned what's most hurtful to me. If I start paying attention to their echoes of financial worry, they get louder and more forceful. There's something going on in my brain that learns what's most painful to me, and amplifies it to cause pain.

[-] RedPostItNote@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I wish you the best dealing with this. You seem very introspective and I’m sure that helps.

[-] Truffle@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

I have no internal monologue but I do have a mind's eye. Ideas and thoughts appear to me in "splashes" or like a very quick flash. I can detect patterns in behavior and speech very accurately and quickly, and this abilty/quirk also makes me very tired rapidly. I love complicated stuff but get bored easily. Reading is one of my passions but I have to have different books for different times and places.

[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I hear my thoughts in monotone in English and sometimes Russia (my native language)[I am Ukrainian]{I speak Russian because I was born during the Soviet era}

I can see clear detailed images in my head but only in still frame.

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