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Vote blue no matter who. Lol
For the immediate future. Sure.
I think there’s a sentiment that we need a third party.
No - we need a second party. The Democratic Party may be corrupt, but the Republican Party committed suicide. The full downfall will be when Donald Trump dies (hopefully not of old age).
it took decades of this sort of strategy to get us here; expecting an immediate change is unrealistic.
I'm not sure where you've been recently, but it seems pretty apparent that if you're a president with control of Congress, you can fundamentally change American's culture and governance systems in mere months.
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Vote blue until literally anything better comes along.
Except lefties who infiltrate the party. You're a traitor if you vote for them. Obviously.
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Unless they're an economic populist.
Then it's all: "Nope, not like that." from your local Democratic ideologues.
Unless we fail to ratfuck a moderate or socialist in the primary. Then absolutely under no conditions should you vote blue.
So you're actively building the alternative right now, right? You're gonna have another party ready to go next election cycle? Link me to your projects. Surely you at least have some promising candidates lined up? And you're out there getting the word out about them?
Or are you just going to criticize and nitpick because it's easier?
the democrats have proven that they're not going to stop this and your fellow liberals are more politically aligned w you than w me; so what are you doing to prevent it?
The bare minimum. Admittedly it's not much, but even .0000000000000001 is infinitely larger than 0.
I'm not any less disillusioned with the system than you are. But I also admit to myself honestly that I am not going to get out there and man the barricades. At least the minimum is SOMETHING.
You don't like the options? Fine. You should at least be building another one. What are you, a nihilist?
why not be significantly more effective than 1 millionth of a percent and join the 3-9% of american voters that have been trying to warn liberals that democrats are shit every election for the last several decades w a third party?
Warning them clearly isn't doing anything. They're not going to change. They're not getting behind anything truly progressive. But I don't see the 3-9% of American voters building an alternative. That's a PRETTY big number - that's millions of people... are they all just content to criticize and not actually MAKE an alternative? The rest of us are here - surely some of you are motivated enough to give US an alternative to the democrats? Why is it the democrats that have to make an alternative that's palatable to YOU? This argument goes both ways, you know.
And the CLINCHER is it doesn't have to be either/or. It's ENTIRELY possible to both do the bare minimum AND also build the alternative at the same time.
But no, we're just gonna ride the worst of both worlds into hell. Fine by me, I guess.
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Democrats had options.
Remember Marianne Williamson?
Democrats were all like, nah, give me the guy with evident public dementia instead.
Well yeah. Just look at what happens when you don't. Or do you think you needed to vote once?
You are the problem. You got us here.
Impeccable work
"We need you to help us!"
"By raising awareness, raising the profile of protests by joining and expressing solidarity with them, engaging in legal efforts to block the administration, and introducing legislation to restrict the administration's formal power; the things that politicians and especially legislators have especial power to actually do?"
"No, we want you to take up arms and take to the streets in a way that we aren't willing to do ourselves!"
Why is Jeffries there and not a Republican
The short Hakeem Jeffries, I can't
What do you propose they do?
Organize protests. Bring media. Obstruct Republicans in Congress whenever possible
They could start with traveling with armed guards, or more specifically, law enforcement under their own lawful command. Then they can start actually exercising their authority and right to inspect federal facilities such as ICE detention centers. This is the right of every member of Congress. Any ICE or other agents that try to stop them are violating state and federal law. If ICE agents try to stop them, then they should have those ICE agents arrested on the spot.
But really, what they should be doing is stop looking for excuses, like you seem to be doing here. Republicans manage to delay and wring concessions out of Democrats when they're out of power. But the Democrats were unwilling to use the debt ceiling or temporary budget bill earlier this year to demand concessions. They just said, "well, it would be really bad if the government shut down, guess we can't do anything!"
Or they could use other Congressional powers. For example, they should be reading banned books, censored scientific articles, and information deleted from government web pages directly into the Congressional record.
But beyond that, they need rhetoric that isn't cowardly. They should be in speech after speech, calling for the prosecution of ICE agents. They should be up there every day reminding everyone that there are no statutes of limitations for crimes against humanity. And in case of a pardon, they should be promising to ship ICE agents off the the Hague for trial.
And on and on. There are tons of things they could be doing. Many of these involve putting their actual persons at risk. But Democrats are leaders in name only. They have no interest in actually leading. They're just there to collect a paycheck. When they're out of power, they wring their hands and say, "we don't have a majority, what do you propose we do?" When they're in power, they wring their hands and say, "we only have a small majority, what do you propose we do?"
Where exactly is it written that members of congress can have political enemies arrested by private police on a whim, and that they can inspect any building at any time?
Literally anything?
Call upon all forces loyal to their states and districts to expel ICE and all unjust federal agencies.
And then Trump sends in the military and they start murdering people
That is the inevitable outcome. Delaying it only gives them the benefit of more time to prepare and consolidate resources, because god knows we're not cooking up some Machiavellian counterplan to stop them.
Careful appeasement does not work in the end with fascists. People should resist while they still have assets with which to do so.
i will always advocate for whatever preserves human life the best, acknowledging all currently living humans in the equation, and i think this is the route that minimizes casualties.
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