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[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago

The "if you're criticizing Israel then you are an antisemitic" argument is getting really really old and fucking tired.

I have never in my life had any issues with anyone who is Jewish just because they are Jewish. Nor will I ever. But I have serious issues with the state of Israel committing war crimes on a daily basis and expecting not to be held accountable.

[-] Zetta@mander.xyz 16 points 2 weeks ago

100%, fuck the country of Israel, the people leading the country, and the people hands on murdering civilians. Death to the IDF.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

My Jewish friends never bought into it either.

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[-] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 30 points 2 weeks ago

attacking a defenseless neighboring people

They’re so close to figuring it out

[-] thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago

Its antisemitic to say its bad to bomb defenseless people....

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

They know. They like committing genocide. They just don’t want international consequences for it.

[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

They're mad that they're identifying with the genocidal, colonizing villains of the story?

[-] EnsignWashout@startrek.website 6 points 2 weeks ago

I keep expecting Jeff Bezos to get angry at the portrayal of Lex Luthor to top it off.

[-] bitMasque@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

Well, if the shoe fits.

[-] GoddessGundy@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

"If the shoe fits"... So maybe sit with your thoughts a bit longer to a logical conclusion instead of jumping to social media to dump your little thought vomit.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago
[-] runner_g@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago

I see where Trump got his name calling ideas from.

[-] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

All of "his" ideas.

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[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

This complaint is such an admission. They can't point to a single similarly between Israel and the bad guys in the movie except, "nation with technology advanced weaponry being deployed against unarmed civilians," and they're not even disputing that that's an accurate depiction of what's happening. It's not like they're saying, "this movie parallels Hamas propaganda." They're saying, "depicting colonial genocide negatively is anti-Israel."

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago

Andor is just one such example of this.

This shit is why I joke that every work of fiction needs to end with the protagonist staring directly at the camera and explaining what the audience is supposed to take away from it, 1950's style, because people are too stupid for subtlety. Yes, yes, very clever to name the site of a genocide "G[horman Pl]aza," and have a character specifically emphasize the word "genocide" in a Senate chamber, but StrikeEagle784 sees all that and goes, "Wow, cool lasers" without understanding anything about anything.

Now, imagine if Andor ended with Cassian taking a seat and saying, "Hi, I'm Cassian Andor, and I hope you enjoyed the show. Were you moved by the plight of the Ghormans and inspired to fight the Empire? Well, just like how the Empire conducted a genocide against Ghorman, in real life, the US and Israel are committing genocide against the people of Gaza. That's actually the reason why that's in the show. Early on, I tried to turn a blind eye to injustice, but I found that ignoring the problem didn't make it go away. This is also true in real life. In summary, the genocide in Gaza is bad and you should do something about it."

Would that be stupid and annoying? Yes. But this is the level of art that we deserve. At least, it's the level of art that StrikeEagle784 deserves.

[-] veeesix@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, yes, very clever to name the site of a genocide "G[horman Pl]aza," and have a character specifically emphasize the word "genocide" in a Senate chamber […]

🤯 Holy shit that’s brilliant!

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[-] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Someone have context if we haven’t seen the new superman?

Also I want to scream a million times. Israel isn’t Judaism and Judaism isn’t Israel! Mixing that up is problematic because you’re confounding anti-zionism (a settler colonial state project committing genocide) with anti-semitism.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 weeks ago

Israel isn’t Judaism and Judaism isn’t Israel! Mixing that up is problematic because you’re confounding anti-zionism (a settler colonial state project committing genocide) with anti-semitism.

Mixing that up is intentional, so that you can be accused of being antisemitic by not supporting Israel. Politicians love to do this.

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[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

At the start of the movie, Superman has just stopped an invasion. The fictional country Barovia, a US ally, has advanced weaponry and attempts to invade and annex a much smaller and poorer fictional country Jarhanpur which doesn't appear to have a military of any kind. Barovia is ethnically white (coded as Eastern European/Russian) and Jarhanpur is ethnically more middle eastern.

It is not a giant leap to correlate these countries to Isreal and Palestine, but really those superficial details are where the the similarities begin and end. There is no apparent religious connection to the invasion, nor terrorist activity. No ongoing tensions, direct involvement from the US goverment in the invasion, or any act of war or other event that triggers Barovia to invade. It is just a powerful country attacking a smaller country for their resources on the orders of a power hungry dictator. It's a trope that is not exclusively related to current events, that made as much sense 50 years ago as it does today. And the purpose of it in the film is to both critique Superman's naivete of geopolitics, and to reinforce his values that every life matters.

People that are mad about it and pretending that it is explicitly a depiction of the Isreali-Palestinian war are projecting meaning that isn't there, at least beyond maybe some subtext. It's always a bit telling when people see generic bad guys in a movie and think, "this is about me!" But, of course, if they felt that the depiction of the overwhelming military force against civilians made the Palestinians seem sympathetic to them... maybe they should think a bit more about why that is.

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[-] AllToRuleThemOne@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] thelivefive@startrek.website 8 points 2 weeks ago

Oh I guess I'm going to see the new Superman now.

[-] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 2 weeks ago

Plot twist: it's all a marketing scheme to get you to watch another shitty comic book movie.

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[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago

Wait, I thought the Jews ran Hollywood and controlled all of the media? How is it possible a movie like this exists?

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[-] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 weeks ago

Yes it is totally Hollywood making Israel look bad, not the shooting caged brown people part.

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[-] Ambersand@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Are Zionists (not the general Jewish population of the world) the biggest mass murdering babies in human civilization now adays?

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[-] LuaPurpa@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

That being said. Free palestine ♡

[-] rozodru@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago
[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

They aren't asking that question. They know they are.

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

"they're showing a country of mostly white people invading and brutalizing a defenseless country of brown people which is clearly about Israel-palestine"

c/selfawarewolves

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[-] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago

"we're seeing similarities between us and fictional villains and we don't like it"

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

rick and morty , family guy all have talked about palestine and israel in some form or another. dint see them whine about that. there were quite a few other shows discussing it.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 2 weeks ago

If you see yourself in the bad guys actions, maybe do something else...

[-] baduhai@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 weeks ago

"well, if the shoe fits"

well, if the shoe fits

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[-] qarbone@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I choose to believe these are rage-bait and false flags. Otherwise, multiple someones managed to learn a language with so little introspection and contextual understanding that I'd have to downgrade them to an LLM.

[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

"Global antisemitism on the rise". Is that because Israel turned genocidal against the Palestinians?

[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If I was a non Israeli Jew, I would be PISSED at Israel for that exact reason.

I won't say the same of Israelis, because looking at the percentages who are pro leave no Palestinians alive, they seem too much like a blood lusted cult to care about the opinions of.

And yes I know the Palestinians feel the same way, but the party with the bigger stick matters and always shoulders the burden of wielding that stick responsibly, and Israel has no interest in that.

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[-] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

you call them PRO-PALIS? does that mean youre ANTI-PALESTINE?? KIND OF A WEIRD THING TO SAY

[-] rustyfish@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

It’s not our fault your state became so evil they are interchangeable with cartoon villains.

All this whining about that movie makes me want to see it more and more. If this is intentional, it will be remembered as the best marketing campaign in history.

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[-] shadowfax13@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

at this point israel is just a country of vile rabid criminals. they know all the normal jewish people think of them as a stain on humanity and their religion but still cry antisemitism when they are exposed bombing children collecting water or sniping pregnant women.

[-] modernangel@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

Reddit has been actively alienating users who despise fascism, so these pro-fash topical whinges are only going to grow more echo-chambery

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