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[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

AOCIA strikes again.

Let's seem if flattened-bernie gets to Mamdani on easing up language against Pissreal too.

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Sanders urged his now-protégé to be firm in calling for Democratic leaders to rally behind him but also to more carefully address what he’s said about Israel. ... Sanders, a Brooklyn native, was eager to welcome Mamdani for their first meeting after several phone calls, including a congratulatory one after his primary win. The closest that they’ve come in person before was at Sanders’ October 2019 rally in Queens marking his comeback after a heart attack , which Mamdani used as an early organizing opportunity for his first assembly campaign. side-eye-1 ....

Sanders, who is Jewish, urged Mamdani to be cautious about how he approaches talking about Israel. Both are critics of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel’s handling of its war in Gaza.

Ahead of the trip, Mamdani told business leaders in New York that he would discourage the use of the phrase “globalize the intifada.” Mamdani, who has not used the phrase himself, has said he believes the phrase to be a rallying cry for Palestinian human rights and refused to condemn its use when asked during his primary campaign.

According to the person familiar with their conversation, Sanders told Mamdani he had to do a better job explaining that his criticism is not antisemitic and to not let himself seem like he’s minimizing the fear Jews in New York and elsewhere feel from the threat of hate against them.

Bolding mine. Bernie seems ro have a difficult time sepersting Zionazis from Judiasm. Plenty of Jews in New York have been on the front lines of anti Pissreal Aktion. af Love how Bernie just erases them and their fears and violence against them by acab-3 and Zionazis.

At the end of the day Mamdani is a Democrat. I hope he doesn't turn into another AOCIA.

[-] Crucible@hexbear.net 90 points 2 days ago

Liberals demonstrating that to them the optics of agreeing with MTG are worse than the optics of supporting genocide

Don't look at the .ml thread about it.

[-] dustcommie@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago

There is even a hexbear in the ml thread basically saying voting with MTG is worse

[-] MizuTama@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

Yeah kiryu-pain

Was gonna do my usual shitposting about it but just felt meanspirited and depressing, vibes off

[-] dkr567@hexbear.net 43 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Shocking, a soc dem dipshit is also pro genocideshocked-pikachu

[-] peeonyou@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago

is she a soc dem? as far as i can tell she's just a run of the mill dem

[-] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not a socdem? She's the highest profile elected DSA member in the United States. I get that people are embarrassed in hindsight that they used to treat her with the kind of messianic fervor that they treated Bernie in 2016 or Mamdani now, but their politics really haven't meaningfully changed. She remains the same extremely average imperial radlib as she was when NYDSA got her elected, and she acts accordingly. Despite the disproportionate attention she gets for being relatively young and conventionally attractive, I don't think her positions on Palestine are even worse than average among DSA-electeds, especially if we're acknowledging the former-DSA former-electeds. Rashida Tlaib's the only DSA member I know of whose positions are consistently better, and she's basically a coin toss away from being lynched on the House floor on any given day while the House Minority Leader cheers.

People don't want to acknowledge that there is no legal nonviolent path to reforming this genocidal settler empire, so they keep lowering the bar for what counts as "winning". After they've "won", they act like they've been betrayed because their circumstances haven't changed. These are the extremely predictable results of putting effort behind getting big tent radlibs that disavow revolutionary politics and party discipline invited onto to the bridge of the death star. They get a front row seat to watch the emperor fire the superlaser while they try to convince themselves that being in the room looking upset while the button is pressed is doing harm reduction.

[-] peeonyou@hexbear.net 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I'm just saying it's just a brand name they put on or take off as the winds blow. It doesn't actually mean anything to people like AOC

I think she could still qualify, but only because general level of the succdems in the west is lowest ever.

[-] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 48 points 1 day ago

When MTG is more correct on an issue than you (for the wrong reasons no doubt) I don't think you count as a progressive any more

[-] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 day ago

She is broken clock correct because she's a raging antisemite who didn't get the memo that you're supposed to hate Jewish people but love and materially support the entity

[-] DesertComrade@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago

The reasons being that it is a waste of American tax payer money on a war that doesn't benefit the American people

Which isn't a wrong reason there are certainly better ones

But this is the correct approach to reach the average Republican

And this makes her infinitely better than any other pro war democrat

[-] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago

This is also the correct approach for those liberals that are like "why should I care about Palestine?" I like to hit them with "because your tax dollars are going to blow up children instead of fixing our roads and paying for you to be healthy and have a nice environment". It's certainly the least empathetic path to get someone to support your side, but when it comes to stopping a genocide, we don't have a lot of leverage which is crazy

[-] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 4 points 22 hours ago

The only problem with this approach is that it still enables the pacifying force of fascism.

"Fine, we will give you free healthcare and fix the roads, genocides still happening though".

It's basically the same "we will do genocide, but bring out a rainbow flag occasionally and allow trans people to partake" that the Dems do now, just more concessions towards the populace.

[-] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 3 points 21 hours ago

Oh, absolutely. It's like the first step into cracking the thick dome libs build up around their ideology and many more steps have to be taken if you can get through to them even a little bit

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[-] Candidate@hexbear.net 39 points 1 day ago

Insane. Dem voters despise Israel now, this is such an easy W.

[-] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago

Pot legalization has been a slam dunk for either side for over a decade. They don't want to win and be popular. It's too much work

[-] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Why should Dems even try? The 2-party state will revert to them eventually even if all they did was just shit in their hands all day because they'd be "better than the alternative".

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[-] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 51 points 1 day ago

To me the larger statement here is that Dem house members and Repub house members are just the same bloodthirsty war mongers, with a different consonant next to their name.

AOC is but one of them.

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago

I think most people are acutely aware of that part,

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago

Not with AOC as much. She still has a lot of defenders who see her as being further left than she actually is.

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[-] Biggay@hexbear.net 31 points 1 day ago

I'm pretty convinced that this is just a spiteful move on her part. She fucking hates MTG and knew this wasnt going to pass. That said even from a liberal perspective you should still agree with a broken clock when its right even if its for the wrong reasons.

[-] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago

Right? There was an opportunity to use Republican support for something good and pride got in the way of progress again. In the liberal mind, It's better to chide TACO trump into nuking Palestine than to agree with a Republican when they actually propose something helpful. The real victories are sticking to your guns in the face of progress.

[-] LeninWalksTheEarth@hexbear.net 47 points 1 day ago

4 not shitty democrats, what progress

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 day ago

Same people voting against sending weapons to Israel at the start of the genocide. So to conclude the entire genocide did nothing to shift American policitians stance.

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hey that's not fair, AOC voted 'Present' on sending them arms once in April 2024, and made a big stink about it

So she's actually gotten worse

[-] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago

I feel like that's less than it used to be. Remember "The Squad"?

[-] LeninWalksTheEarth@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

Turns out only Ilhan matters in that group

[-] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

Tlaib is pretty based for a dem

[-] LeninWalksTheEarth@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago

its true and her daughter looks to be even more based

[-] Skye@hexbear.net 59 points 2 days ago

Wouldn't want to accidentally cast a deciding vote to make the world slightly better with a vote this close

[-] MusicOwl@hexbear.net 59 points 2 days ago
[-] CommCat@hexbear.net 41 points 1 day ago

AOC continues to prove that she is trash

[-] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago
[-] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 32 points 1 day ago

I don’t even think this stripped all funding, or even a majority of it. Just reducing it by $500 million.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 36 points 2 days ago

Sheepdog lib gonna lib

[-] Rhaxapopouetl@ttrpg.network 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Is this true? Where can we verify that? Is there a source?

Edit: thank you for your answers

[-] Skye@hexbear.net 53 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Here you can see the name the amendment and here you can look up how everyone voted on it, just look for Ocasio-Cortez. It's really not surprising with her track record, however.

[-] Crucible@hexbear.net 28 points 2 days ago

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2025207 6 - 422, she was not one of the six

[-] Elysium@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

Just for future reference as well

Drop site is generally one of those "you can probably just believe them" sites. Similar to Ken Klippenstein on domestic US "security" state side of things. That doesn't mean don't verify when you can. Just that they don't generally post bullshit especially regarding Israel and MENA politics.

[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 day ago

An image claiming to be from them is not to be trusted at face value, however.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 1 points 18 hours ago

That doesn't mean don't verify when you can.

Did you actually read the comment you replied to?

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