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[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 70 points 1 day ago

I read a lot of science fiction, and a younger friends at work frequently asked me for recommendations, and he liked talking about the books after reading them. At some point I found out that he exclusively consumes them as audiobooks, which is fine and I didn't think much about it. Some years down the line, when I was getting ready to retire, I had to pass on things to him. There was enough of it that, in addition to working elbow-to-elbow with him, I documented all the details in some long emails. When we meet, I'd say "The details are in the email," and focus on explaining the big picture.

It became obvious that he never read the emails. When I talked to him about it, he admitted that he really struggles with any long block of text. The guy is really smart, and he knows a lot about a lot of things, but he gets all his info from audio and video because struggles to consume text. There's clearly some kind of learning/mental issue going on there. It's going to make the job tough for him, but I hope he works it out.

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 11 points 23 hours ago

If someone is trying to convey important information, I'd rather get an email, than a text. And, I'd rather get a text than a voice call.

Writing requires thought to form sentence that make sense. And, forces the person to slow down a bit and gives them time to think about what they are staying. Also, they at least have the opportunity to read before they send, to check if they left anything out. Finally, and this is especially important in business, we have a "paper trail" that can be referred back to.

It took me years to stop the owner of the business I worked for to stop giving me instructions verbally. He did end-runs around shop policy to get his own pet projects prioritized. Policies that he put into place. Why do business owners sabotage their own businesses?

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[-] CMonster@discuss.online 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That is so crazy for me on a personal level because I'm the exact opposite. My brain has a really hard time processing auditory instructions.

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

I'm good with distilling information in whatever form, but I do get impatient with audio/video sometimes. I can read faster than people talk, so I want the audio to go faster. I've tried upping the playback speed, but we encode a lot of information in the pauses and cadence of speech, and the faster playback screws with the perception of that. Doing that is fine for technical information, but I don't care for it with a novel.

[-] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 day ago

Seriously, written guide > > > > > > > video guide

[-] kieron115@startrek.website 6 points 1 day ago

This is also a great example of how, even if there are no disabilities involved, everyone has different learning styles. Some people just process information differently.

[-] kieron115@startrek.website 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If only everyone recorded personal logs like in Star Trek you could have just bequeathed him those! On a serious note though, good on them for trying to learn and expand their knowledge even with some sort of learning disability. I was diagnosed with ADHD like 30 years ago and I understand how troubling it can be trying to read things while constantly having to re-read sentences because you spaced out, or having to keep 5 browser tabs open because each new section brings up some other topic that I now need. I describe my learning/throught process as a spider web for good reason.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 day ago

I actually prefer text for the same reason. No need to pause and rewind, then once again forget what I wanted to hear and go back for the 4th time.

I by far prefer text for things that matter.

One of my favorite Youtube channels (Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles) has great videos about WWII airplanes and aeronautical technology, really digging into the weeds with original source material kind of stuff. But: they're just him reading a script he's written and showing still pictures and excerpts from pilot manuals etc. His content would make excellent written blog posts or even a book, but then nobody would read it. He has to turn what is fundamentally written material into videos in order to make any money off of his work because that's what works for most people. Just makes me sad.

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[-] kieron115@startrek.website 6 points 1 day ago

Something else I forgot to mention was a concept that I learned in the military called BLUF: Bottom Line Up Front. The idea is that most people aren't going to read past the first sentence or two before skipping to the end so you better get the absolutely critical information out right away; before your reader gets bored/decides they have more pressing matters to deal with. I would regularly see emails that started with a summary before even the salutations.

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

Oh, yes, we use BLUF at work a lot, but it's not really useful if you're trying to pass along detailed knowledge.

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[-] binarytobis@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

No one’s talking about anon’s weird assumption that authors go from idea directly to manga, and not that most authors start by writing a novel to attract a sponsor.

[-] kieron115@startrek.website 11 points 1 day ago

Shhhh, that would require actual understanding of the culture and not just laziness.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

The problem with comic books is that they're all about this big flashy pictures and they never have any words in them. Oh well, anyway, off to read some more Chainsaw Man and One Punch...

[-] kieron115@startrek.website 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

He looks absolutely enthralled by the wall of text lol.

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[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago
[-] Dojan@pawb.social 17 points 1 day ago

You can still enjoy reading if you have aphantasia. I can't picture shit, but verbose books tend to be my favourites.

[-] Machinist@lemmy.world 77 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I've known several men that were proud that they didn't read books. (Not that they read manga or anything, either.)

One of them, in particuular, was a grown up version of a stereotypical highschool bully. Willfully ignorant doesn't begin to describe him. I ever meet him in a dark alley, I'd fucking gut him.

Anyhow, this behaviour (pride in ignorance) among women is rare enough that I've never seen it. When I was doing online dating, I had great success asking what they're reading and using decent grammar and vocabulary.

Anti-intellectualism and willfull ignorance have a lot to do with the situation here in the US. I think it's mostly a male problem as well.

[-] virku@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

Have you ever done any sort of IT support? I was internal IT in my first job and we had those people. It was mostly women 50+ years old who were proud that they know nothing about computers and would actively avoid listening when I tried to tell them how to do something trivial. Even when it was part of their jobs to do it. Then they would ask for help with the same stupid shit a few weeks later.

[-] rmuk@feddit.uk 14 points 1 day ago

Fucking hell, so much this. They're so goddamn proud of their ignorance. This is why I enforce a very strict "we're mechanics, not chauffeurs" policy in my team. We've got no duty - either literal or moral - to make up for incompetence.

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[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

Highschool bullies are just a grown up version of middle school bullies. That shit was supposed to stop there.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And many of them never grow out of it and become President.

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[-] Univ3rse@lemmynsfw.com 178 points 1 day ago

I had a coworker approach me on break and start telling me about a book he was reading and how much he was enjoying it. Towards the end, he mentioned struggling with it and that he wished someone had told him how great reading was earlier. We were both damn near 30, and it was a YA novel. I resisted the asshole urge to roast him because, shit, at least he's trying?

[-] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 220 points 1 day ago

Not only is he trying, he laments not learning better when he was younger. Great self-awareness, and taking ownership today.

[-] Univ3rse@lemmynsfw.com 61 points 1 day ago

Very true. Hopefully, he still enjoys reading today.

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[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 155 points 1 day ago

He is an obese man in the gym. Literally nothing more admirable than someone improving themselves.

[-] PentastarM@midwest.social 20 points 1 day ago

My spouse always says, you don't mock a sick person in hospital, why mock someone who is working to improve other aspects of themselves.

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[-] cobysev@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago

When I was in the US Air Force, I was deployed to a US Marine camp once, and listening to those guys chat among themselves was always a treat. You never knew what dumbass comments were going to come out of their mouths.

One day, one of the young corporals mentioned that, while traveling to another base, he got stuck waiting for a connecting flight between bases for about a week and he was so bored, he read A BOOK. He stressed the fact that he's never read an entire book from cover to cover before, but he did on this layover because he was so extremely bored.

To my surprise, the other Marines just nodded along, like this made perfect sense to them. Not a single person harassed him for never reading a book before (and they harass each other all the time for the simplest things).

I mean, we poke fun at Marines for being dumb. They call themselves jarheads, which is an allusion to the fact that their heads are as empty as a jar. But it still blows my mind to hear the dumb things they say sometimes.

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[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 1 day ago

Do note: The US public education system has raised a significant number of younger millennials, genZ, and gen-α (especially in impoverished areas) to be functionally illiterate due to both profiteering and desire to destroy education. Effectively, they switched to literacy programs meant to help people with cognitive disabilities somewhat function in a world that has writing everywhere. This does not teach people how to read or comprehend. It also robs them of capacity to self-learn from texts.

So, there's a massive cohort of people whose parents and/or caregivers were not able to be spend time teaching this extremely important skill who are likely below 6th grade reading level.

[-] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 27 points 1 day ago

I heard schools have largely moved away from Phonics, which is wild to me. That's basically how reading was taught going back to at least medieval monks.

I hear they're using a "look and see" method or something? Word is that its how the Chinese teach their students to read....but they don't have an alphabet, so I don't know how that's supposed to work in English.

I have a relative who just retired from teaching and she says its a real mess in early education because of how badly this reading teaching method works, and its only worsening as students mature.

[-] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 day ago

There was a "program" that had been gaining popularity for years, put out by what are effectively scammers that denounced phonics for "sight reading" where kids were basically asked to guess what words were when next to pictures. This has largely been rejected and phonics reimplemented as it was a disaster

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[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 95 points 1 day ago

As you read these comments, remember that 56% of Americans read at a 6th-grade level or above; the rest read below that.

Please be gentle.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

remember that 56% of Americans read at a 6th-grade level or above; the rest read below that.

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[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 206 points 1 day ago

It's a book with chapters. Basically a regular ass book. When kids are real little, their books are like 15 pages long. Then in like 1st or 2nd grade, they move onto reading big kid books - aka "chapter books" that have enough pages to warrant chapters.

You never hear someone over the age of 7 or 8 mention reading "chapter books" because they're just know as books.

Except anon, who is dumb as fuck.

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 2 points 21 hours ago
[-] Stupidmanager@lemmy.world 11 points 21 hours ago

Most adults just call them ‘books’. But in case you want more, it’s a book with chapters like “Chapter 1 - in the beginning’ and so on. Very few pictures, lots of words. in the US, youth call them chapter books because it’s a moment of transition from reading short simple stories to books more than 100 pages long.

[-] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

If you do the chapter crime, you do the chapter time. Chapter book ‘im, Dan-o.

[-] sheogorath@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

Fuck by chapter book I thought they're talking about Warhammer 40k novel about a specific Space Marine chapter and they're disappointed because they don't want to read 40k novels.

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[-] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Chapter books belong in the Chapter House (Dune)

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