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[-] Poof@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago

Most of European animals are named like that because Europe considered them the default or generic animals then they named all other animals to be variants of that. The scientific naming system we use today is out of latin a language used by the academics of that time and area. Chloris chloris by instance is the European greenfinch

[-] Smeagol666@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

This reminds me of Torpenhow Hill, etymologically speaking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpenhow_Hill

[-] Nikls94@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Don’t forget about the Western Lowland Gorilla 🦍 who’s scientific name is GORILLA GORILLA GORILLA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_lowland_gorilla

[-] fargeol@lemmy.world 55 points 2 days ago
[-] Klear@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

In Czech we say "the honey eater", for the same reason.

[-] Hegar@fedia.io 41 points 2 days ago

It's extra funny that "bear bear bear" would be considered the beariest bear, because "bear" doesn't even mean bear.

Many languages had a taboo against saying the word bear - "bear" comes from the word for "brown", because people used to say "the brown one" instead. Some languages seem to have used "sweetpaw" or something similar.

This is akin to the modern toilet-taboo, where except for terms like "shitter/pisser" all the words are euphemisms. Even "toilet" comes from towel.

[-] Zwiebel@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago

Ah yes, the black brown one

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

In the Indo-European family it's mostly the Balto-Slavic and Germanic branches that avoided the original word, *h₂ŕ̥tḱos - the first one replaced it with "honey-eater", the second one as you said with "the brown one" (IIRC it would be *bʰérh₃os or similar)

If *h₂ŕ̥tḱos survived in Germanic it would've become **urght [ɜːt] in English, and probably **Urcht [uɐ̯χt] in German. Not sure in the Slavic languages, but Lithuanian (Baltic) does keep irštvà for "bear den", so the bear itself would be probably **irštas.

[-] Hegar@fedia.io 4 points 2 days ago

I believe some uralic languages do it too. I've heard some attempts to link it to a circumpolar bear cult that there's still scattered evidence for from groups as far away as the ainu, but I don't know how solid that is.

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 2 days ago

The case of Uralic vs. PBS + PGerm can be explained by interaction, but the Ainu doing the same is interesting.

[-] Bourff@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

I've heard that factoid numerous times over the years, but I never saw a single source for it. I'd love to read more about this.

[-] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 3 days ago
[-] mustbe3to20signs@feddit.org 13 points 2 days ago

That's Gravity Falls, right?

[-] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago

Indeed it is!

[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The Eurasian brown bear sleeps in three beds of different firmness all at once. Then wakes up and eats 3 bowls of porridge without giving a shit what temperature they are.

[-] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Black bears: they are bears, yes, and could kill me in a single swipe if they wanted to. Thankfully (and hilariously) they are so timid. I (a not intimidating person) raise my voice and say “hey, go!” And they run.

Grizzly bears, I used to think were scary. And they are. What I am getting at is that they are more territorial than human-eaty. Give them space. Give them as much space as you can. They will growl and grunt but they will not really want to bother with you.

Polar bears are nightmares. The blood on white fur doesn’t help their image. They will kill anything. They move so quick and quietly.

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 days ago

How did it go again

If it's black, fight back

If it's brown, lie down

If it's white, good night

[-] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

If it’s black, you’re a snack.

If it’s brown, you’re going to Stomach Town.

If it’s white, uhh, you’re a Turkish delight.

Basically, stay away from all bears, if possible.

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 4 points 2 days ago

Black bears woll give you a bluff charge before running away. Of course, this bluff charge is super effective because like hell am i gonna try to fight a bear

[-] odelik@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago

One of my biggest fears of riding MTB in grizzly country is spooking one while out riding.

I've seen videos of people that have been chased and I don't know if I'd survive.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Remember to go downhill, not up, if it comes for you.

[-] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

Beir bere bey’re.

[-] remon@ani.social 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Also:

Gorilla gorilla gorilla

[-] Klear@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Also: Diceros bicornis

"two-horned two-horner"

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

What’s the twinkiest twink?

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

How do you say twink in ancient Greek and Latin?

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago

There’s no way those languages don’t have a word for twink, right?

[-] teft@piefed.social 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I prefer Plains bison for a crazy tautonym. Its genus, species, and subspecies are all the same word.

Bison Bison Bison

Or Extra Extra Extra for extra fun.

[-] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 days ago

It's also probably the first bear to be called bear, makes it even bearer.

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

The people naming it just wanted us to check out that dope ass bear.

[-] Lembot_0004@discuss.online 7 points 3 days ago

What language is "arctos" from?

[-] hakase@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Interestingly, Latin ursus and Greek arktos are cognates. Both come from the Proto-Indo-European word for "bear", h₂ŕ̥tḱos.

This word is interesting in that it contains an example of what's called (for various reasons) a "thorn cluster". Certain words in PIE containing the cluster "tk", for whatever reason, underwent metathesis (switching places) in most of the IE daughter languages. This is why the PIE word has a "tk", but the Greek word has a "kt".

This is one of the many reasons for thinking that the Anatolian branch of Indo-European (Hittite, Luvian, etc.) branched off from PIE first - the Hittite word for "bear", ḫar-tág-ga-aš, still shows the PIE order of "t" and "k" (the Hittite double-g was probably something similar to a "k" in this environment, and what appears to be an intervening "a" is a shortcoming of Hittite's cuneiform writing system), meaning that this family of languages branched off before the rest of the family underwent this shared change of "tk" to "kt".

Another fun fact about the "bear" word is that all of Germanic has completely lost it. Instead, in prehistoric times they innovated a formation meaning "the brown one", which is still reflected in Modern English bear.

This is thought to have been due to taboo avoidance. When you're hunting the bear (or maybe when the bear is hunting you), you don't want to actually say the true name of the animal, because that would either scare it away or bring it to you, whichever is worse under the circumstances. So, you instead call it "the brown one" so as not to draw its attention, and so, over time, the true word for "bear" in Germanic was completely lost.

A similar process may have happened with the source of one of the primary Slavic words for "bear", medved <*medu-ed "honey-eater" (the first part cognate with English "mead", and the second with "eat").

[-] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 12 points 3 days ago
[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I found it also interesting that arctos is related to Arctic. Because it was also used to mean "north" or "near the bear"

[-] Iapetus@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 days ago

Bearlandia and it's polar opposite, Nobearlandia

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

They just named it like that so it's easier to remember where pengins live.

At least since the original penguins had been hunted to extinction.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Globally, the largest population is found east of the Ural mountain range, in the large Siberian forests; brown bears are also present in smaller numbers in parts of central Asia.

The largest brown bear population in Europe is in Russia, where it has now recovered from an all-time low caused by intensive hunting. Populations in Baltoscandia are similarly, albeit slowly, increasing. They include almost 3,000 bears in Sweden, 2,000 in Finland, 1,100 in Estonia[26] and around 100 in Norway.

Large populations can also be found in Romania (around 6,000), Slovakia (around 2,500), Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia (1,200), Slovenia (1,100),[27] North Macedonia, Bulgaria, Poland, Turkey (around 4,000),[28] and Georgia.

Small but still significant populations can also be found in Albania, Greece, Serbia and Montenegro.[29] In 2005, there were an estimated 200 in Ukraine; these populations are part of two distinct metapopulations: the Carpathian with over 5000 individuals, and the Dinaric-Pindos (Balkans) with around 3000 individuals.[30]

There is a small but growing population (at least 70 bears)[31] in the Pyrenees, on the border between Spain and France, which was once on the edge of extinction,[32] as well as two subpopulations in the Cantabrian Mountains in Spain (amounting to around 250 individuals).[33] There are also populations totalling around 100 bears in the Abruzzo, South Tyrol and Trentino regions of Italy.[34] Bears from the aforementioned Italian regions occasionally cross over to bordering Switzerland,[35][36][37] which has not hosted a native population since its last bear was shot and killed in Graubünden in 1904.[38]

Outside Europe and Russia/the CIS, clades of brown bear persist in small, isolated, and for the most part highly threatened populations in Iran,[39] Afghanistan, Pakistan, parts of northwest India and central China, and on the island of Hokkaido in Japan.[40][41]

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