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"One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This" might be a helpful read. Might not help with the desire to fedpost though.
Just remember: they aren't finally telling the truth they're admitting they can't lie about it anymore. This is a good sign. This is a sign of weakness. They're pivoting so as to not appear weak. They're taking up a new defensive posture. I'm not trying to sound overly optimistic - they will likely be very successful with their pivot. They've done the pivot before on things like waterboarding or the 2003 Iraq war. But the fact that they are pivoting shows that they are unnerved.
Great comment. This is what I’m trying to hang on to. That ultimately I believe this is the beginning of the end of Israel. But while that’s the ultimate goal, some god damn justice for the crimes that have been committed would be nice.
They will be less successful with this pivot than they've been with every one beforehand. Look at the opinion polling - without a single American troop killed, the opposition to this war is greater than it was for any previous war where Precious American Lives were at stake. That suggests a pretty dramatic break in the American tolerance for imperial crimes even when nothing is at stake for them or their communities personally. Trust in the media and the political class are at an all-time low.
I'm so sick of being called names and clowned on for two years only to have those same shitheads try to gaslight me and others into thinking they were always on the right side of the issue
Being called names and clowned on on the internet is completely tolerable. The intolerable part is people losing their jobs, losing their immigration status, being kicked out of university, being deported to fucking el salvador, not to mention all the palestinian lives that could have been saved if the media class had have taken a correct stance from the start, and all for what? So they can finally come to the same conclusion 18 months later?
Matty Glesias should be flung into the sun
Wait until you see them trying to pin the blame exclusively on netanyahu
It's the conclusion libs always come to because they believe in Great Man of History. If they could do systemic analysis, they wouldn't be libs.
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
All the years we spent giving Israel billions of dollars of bombs and active military support, they promised they wouldn't do a genocide. We feel very betrayed, if only we'd known 
Bernie Sanders has been sewing that seed for the past two years. Always saying "Netanyahu Government" never criticizing isntreal as a state.
even he's recently shifted to "far-right Israeli government" instead of just "Netanyahu Government"
While it hurts my soul to see people who excused a genocide draw the line at forced starvation, I will not miss this opportunity for agitation against isntreal.
The pressure against isntreal at this point is purely symbolic and it is essential that you, me and all our comrades work hard now to make sure that it becomes economically impossible for isntreal to continue starving Palestinians.
Boycott israel
Make your friends and family boycott israel
Make your union boycott israel
Make your school/workplace boycott israel
Make your city boycott israel
Make your state boycott israel
Make your government boycott israel
And if they don’t listen, shut down your country. Protests are growing rapidly at this point, many people are feeling angry and powerless. Turn that anger into productivity by organising against isntreal.
Thank you for this comment
Are they doing a 180? I haven't noticed much of a change, the language is still steeped in shit like "Hamas run health ministry" and the like.
Yeah they’ve switched from blanket support of Israel to this position where the genocide is bad but they still won’t recognize that Palestinians have a right to struggle for self-determination.
More like an 11° shift then. Barely any difference.
They're just trying to save the Zionazi state. Every condemnation comes couched in some propagandistic talk.
"I'm sorry my dog mauled the baby but he didn't mean it"
I actually heard some guy on NBC say genocide twice
has bernie sanders said the magic word yet
No, but he really really hates the netanyahu government!
Dont know why I ever thought he was a good guy. He was literally a settler there at one point in his life.
It was always going to happen. If not now, it would have been 15 years from now they'd be saying they were always against this.
I wish I had done more way before October 7.
The orange man is in charge now, so now things the US government are doing can be called bad.
I don’t think it is that, we are half a year into orange man. The threshold has been reached for when it is time for sensible liberals to hedge their stances. If that is because they think it sufficiently unpopular or that it is already over and it is time to get their cover for posterity, I don’t know.
It'll be interesting to see how they try to backpedal on Kamala's stance on it, trying to downplay it to get people to vote for her, DNC goers covering their ears when the names of dead Palestinian children were being read, ”I'm speaking”, etc.
By interesting, I mean it'll be more horror akin to ”I always opposed the war in Iraq”.
I hope every single one of these rats dies a slow and painful death.
I particularly hate the woman in the bottom left with the pride bracelet
No Pride during genocide 
the black delegate who was laughing and mockingly repeating "18 years old" got doxxed and privated all his socials, but to my knowledge none of these crackers did, wish we knew who every person in that video was
i lost it at that matt y tweet to ross d -- like, matt frames the issue like every child dying in gaza is actually just a good object lesson in updating our Bayesian priors.
theyve been being massacred for two years you craven fucking freak.
It's how they keep the pot from exploding. They pretend to care while it's too obvious, maybe a few head will rolls, but the institution will still be there and in a month from now they'll be back at it.
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