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PS DefenSe in the us.

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[-] Sergio@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"

[-] Botzo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago
  • Military-industrial complex
  • War machine
  • Merchants of death

There are many names.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

It's a fairly recent development. It was created as the department of war by Washington and remained that until 1947 where it split into the departments of the air force and army, joining the already existing department of the navy, which together made up the national military establishment (NME), which was renamed 2 years later to the DOD.

[-] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

Oddly enough, this also coincides with the time when the US military was more explicitly about offence rather than defense. After the Revolution, people mistrusted the federal government having a large standing army. The army was raised up in time of war, and everyone went home when it was over.

Post-WW2 was the first time the US kept a large army in "peace". Been that way ever since.

[-] fujiwood@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

"The Ministry of Peace"

-Orwell

[-] MarriedCavelady50@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Please respect and enjoy the peace ☮️

  • Emperor Cleon, who ended the galactic wars
[-] teft@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The US used to have the Department of War. Then it split up after WWII into the departments of the army, navy, air force and the overseeing department was renamed the department of defense. Probably a branding thing.

edit: a word

[-] themurphy@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

100% branding. Cant go around admitting to attack and start wars. Its defense, guys. On other countries soil. Right?

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Defense does also do defense in a lot of cases

[-] Hugin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Old joke from when I was in engineering college.

What's the difference between a electrical engineer and a civil engineer?

One builds the bombs one builds the targets.

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

WWII was the war to end all wars, so we couldn't have a department of war anymore. Still "needed" and army , navy, marines and all the weapons for them though so we created the department of defense.

[-] troed@fedia.io 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah ... no.

Ask Europeans if they feel working in that industry right now feels like anything but for defensive reasons.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

For countries like Finland, the Ministry of Defense is not about offense, and is very heavily armed.

[-] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

Protecting your own country doesn't always involve actively declaring war with everyone. Often it's economic or cyber infrastructure hardening related

[-] tgirlschierke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago

funny how the israeli military is called a "defense force". haven't been doing much defending.

[-] SeraphimNova@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

The attack industry

[-] Almacca@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Regardless of what you call it, making the production of weapons an 'industry' is psychotic.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I’ve always heard to it referred to as the “military industrial complex”. Eisenhower tried to warn us about it in the 1950s.

[-] teft@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

Smedley Butler was warning us in 1935. War is a Racket .

[-] npdean@lemmy.today -1 points 1 week ago

It is a war industry for the Western countries because the war is never on their soil. It is a defence industry for everyone else.

[-] MajorasMaskForever@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Someone who works in said US defense industry here

Neither defense nor war really apply to what we do, but between the two defense is the more apt description. The DoD largely uses a strategy of deterrence, where the technology we develop and training done for the "war fighter" is just public and visible enough that no other major country wants to take the risk of going into full open conflict with the US. Since most efforts go into deterrence, and deterrence is a defense strategy, it does become the more appropriate word.

Sure the US loves its proxy wars, but those don't throw the entire nation into wartime. Plus, in a round about way proxy wars help with the deterrence since we get an outlet for the decades old stock piles of arms that we no longer want and want to replace with the new stuff. If our waste products are being useful in places like Ukraine, it helps build up an idea of what it is we keep for ourselves, again building up a deterrence of openly and directly attacking the US

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