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[-] CommunistBear@hexbear.net 106 points 11 months ago

This is by far the most damning evidence that it absolutely did not happen. If those photos existed they would be sent to every news organization on the planet in seconds

[-] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 67 points 11 months ago

If those photos existed they would be sent to every news organization on the planet in seconds

Which is why we have so many photos from Nazi concentration camps, because they knew that there needed to be proof or people wouldn't believe it.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 40 points 11 months ago

Shit, Israel (in a rare good move) has state-sponsored efforts to collect documentation of the Holocaust for this exact reason.

That's not disrespectful to the dead, but this would be!

[-] FUCKRedditMods@lemm.ee 89 points 11 months ago

“Disrespectful of the dead to comment on the condition of a corpse”

Oh you mean like your original claim that they were decapitated?

[-] Torenico@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sorry I want to add nothing to your post other than I like your username. It's a real #Mood moment.

[-] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 72 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I adamantly think 24 hour news channels should be shut down and banned everywhere in the world. This happens all the fucking time. I've been saying to every idiot that watches any 24 hour news channel that it takes time and work to verify claims. That's what journalism is. 24 hour news channels simply cannot do it in real time. The only imaginable reason you would want a channel that broadcasts news 24 hours a day is so you can have a place to get information about major events in real time, and that is exactly when they will fuck up the most and report a bunch of emotionally charged lies in their fancy official looking news rooms, and it always happens.

A journalist from Israeli broadcaster i24News was the first to say that babies had been killed, saying there were 40.

i24 news is a 24 hour news channel in Israel.

[-] DiscoPosting@hexbear.net 71 points 11 months ago

de-encyclopedia [Challenging: Success] — In June of 1982, the Israeli Defense Forces marched into Lebanon in the hopes of forcing Palestine Liberation Organization members out of the area. The Lebanese Forces, an umbrella party made up of all of the right-wing militias in Lebanon, were engaging in a civil war with the Lebanese government, and agreed to partner up with the IDF. On September 16th of that same year, the Lebanese Forces armed themselves and walked into the neighborhood of Sabra, and then into the adjacent Shatila refugee camp. The IDF encircled the area, preventing the Palestinian and Shiite Lebanese civilians from escaping.

de-pain-threshold — Don't ignore that feeling in the bottom of your stomach. Hearing this is going to hurt you. Make sure you're ready.

::: spoiler [Endurance 12] Listen to the rest of the story. de-encyclopedia — An estimated 3,500 civilians were killed in the ensuing massacre. Janet Lee Stevens, an American journalist present in the area, wrote that she saw "...dead women in their houses with their skirts up to their waists and their legs spread apart; dozens of young men shot after being lined up against an alley wall; children with their throats slit, a pregnant woman with her stomach chopped open, her eyes still wide open, her blackened face silently screaming in horror; countless babies and toddlers who had been stabbed or ripped apart and who had been thrown into garbage piles."

dubois-depressed — What happened after the massacre?

de-encyclopedia — Nothing. The UN held a vote to condemn it, which passed. Representatives and speakers for the United States, Canada, Singapore, and Ireland complained that it was unfair to call the actions of the IDF and Lebanese Forces a "genocide". Elie Hobeika, the Lebanese Forces leader accused of ordering the civilians to be killed, was later assassinated by an Israeli car bomb before he could testify as to who was responsible for what.

de-rhetoric — There's nothing Israel can accuse Hamas of that they haven't already done themselves.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago

Wow, Ireland usually isn't that terrible about anything outside of Catholic issues

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago

The Irish government has always sucked, especially back then. The Free Staters went after the IRA and leftists same as the North

[-] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 23 points 11 months ago

I have never been so impressed by a post and horrified by its contents at the same time

[-] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago

Elie Hobeika, the Lebanese Forces leader accused of ordering the civilians to be killed, was later assassinated by an Israeli car bomb before he could testify as to who was responsible for what.

agony-turbo

[-] DiscoPosting@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago

de-encyclopedia — Israel's own Kahan Commission also found that their Defense Minister, Ariel Sharon, was directly responsible for a failure to ensure the safety of civilians in Beirut. He refused to resign, and Prime Minister Menachem Begin similarly refused to fire him. After someone threw a grenade into a peace protest and blew up eleven people, Sharon then decided to remain within the cabinet, but step down as Defense Minister. 51.7% of Israelis polled thought that the Kahan Commission was unfair to Sharon.

dubois-depressed — What was he doing in the cabinet without a title?

de-encyclopedia — Biding his time. Sharon was made Prime Minister of Israel in March of 2001.

[-] Koa_lala@hexbear.net 69 points 11 months ago

Friends got mad at me for doubting this story...

[-] StalinistApologist@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago

My mom came over to babysit. We went on a walk and she mentioned the baby decapitations and I said it is propaganda. And then she said they showed it on tv...! And that there is a clear enemy, Hamas. I said no, they're freedom fighters, and you're being propagandized. She decided to go home. (Wish I were making this up)

Could I have played it better? Yes. Is the united states the most propagandized country in the world? Yes.

[-] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago

They showed it on TV, huh.

So she's just imagining propaganda now?

[-] StalinistApologist@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago

They showed something that was hard to watch, that's for sure. My poor mom, watching war snuff films on cable tv...

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

Instead of insults, ask what they showed on TV, because I doubt it was 40 baby heads.

[-] StalinistApologist@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Is it not a stretch to say I insulted her? Like, saying someone is being propagandized doesn't seem like an outright insult. They are on the receiving end of a bunch of biased media.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

This isn't a matter of who was wronged, it's a matter of getting them to listen.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Racist friends.

Ask them if them what they think about black crime statistics.

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[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 64 points 11 months ago

There's an entire history of genocidal nations using the "killing babies" claim to justify their genocide. You can see woodcuttings of this claim ffs.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ironically including blood libel, the false claim of Jews kidnapping and slaughtering children for rituals, used as a pretext for pogroms.

[-] muddi@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

Carthago delenda est, they've basically said the same

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 61 points 11 months ago

"Why would they lie about it?"

Because they're a fucking ethnostate that's doing genocide. Maybe that has something to do with it.

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 58 points 11 months ago

Saddam's People Shredder 2.0

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 35 points 11 months ago

At least the US military actually said that wasn't real.

[-] abc@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago
[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 57 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The instant I heard this one, I just immediately thought of the Iraq War testimony that somebody's relative made up to an American committee about how Iraqis were murdering babies in incubators.

Especially with no pictures...in this day and age? There's pictures of everything now archived on the net, and there's zero chance a nation as committed to online propaganda as Israel wouldn't throw them (or SOMETHING) into an article at a moment's notice if they were real. They have apps specifically designed for generating propaganda on social media.

But yeah sure, 1 soldier saying 'they killed babies' is definitely reliable testimony, we all know soldiers, and IDF soldiers especially, never lie.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 31 points 11 months ago

I just immediately thought of the Iraq War testimony that somebody's relative made up to an American committee about how Iraqis were murdering babies in incubators.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

Her story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International, a British-based global NGO, which published a report about the supposed killings and testimony from evacuees. Following the liberation of Kuwait, reporters were given access to the country. An ABC report found that "patients, including premature babies, did die, when many of Kuwait's nurses and doctors ... fled" but Iraqi troops "almost certainly had not stolen hospital incubators and left hundreds of Kuwaiti babies to die." Amnesty International USA reacted by issuing a correction, with executive director John Healey subsequently accusing the Bush administration of "opportunistic manipulation of the international human rights movement"...

On January 6, 1992, The New York Times published an op-ed piece by John MacArthur entitled "Remember Nayirah, Witness for Kuwait?" MacArthur discovered that Nayirah was the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the U.S., Saud Nasir al-Sabah.

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 27 points 11 months ago

Yes, that is the one.

Babies in incubators...such shameless lies, obviously chosen because of how well it tugs on the heartstrings.

So viciously manipulative.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago

It's called "atrocity propaganda" and using that term you can find countless more stories.

[-] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Amnesty International USA reacted by issuing a correction, with executive director John Healey subsequently accusing the Bush administration of "opportunistic manipulation of the international human rights movement"...

How dare they opportunistically manipulate us by somehow making us fabricate witness testimony from evacuees? Surely we can all agree that the "international human rights movement" (ursus-hexagonia) is just a poor mislead smol bean.

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 55 points 11 months ago

It won't investigate its claim...

Propagandist army pinkie swears that their non-investigation into their use of clear use of propaganda didn't discover any actual propaganda.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 48 points 11 months ago

Testimony alone is not good enough.

Eye witness accounts are very often fabricated, especially in a fucking war.

Evidence, evidence, evidence is needed. If people refuse too present evidence, none exists.

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago

Eye witness accounts are very often fabricated, especially in a fucking war. Evidence, evidence, evidence is needed. If people refuse too present evidence, none exists.

Too bad, that's the basis of most journalism nowadays, let alone hearsay, when a person says they heard someone say that they someone and blah blah blah...

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago

The media hasn’t even received any leaks either. Surely if this happened, an outraged official or soldier will leak pictures to show the evils of Hamas. But no, just accept the vibes.

[-] Theblarglereflargle@hexbear.net 42 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Does anyone had a list of all the times the IDF had lied about shit like this? Like when they shelled the UN building in Gaza back in 2009 because it was apparently full of combatants that was easily disproven

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago

Or when they shelled the building where Al-Jazira journalists were stationed because it was supposedly harboring terrorists.

[-] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago

To be fair, according to Israel anyone who disagrees with them is a terrorist and according to the ADL anyone who criticizes Israel is anti-semitic. Puts Jewish and Israeli leftists in a weird space to be sure.

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[-] TraumaDumpling@hexbear.net 39 points 11 months ago

reports coming in that Palestinians have gained possession of the Loc-Nar and plan to annihilate the universe

source: this was revealed to me in a dream

[-] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 38 points 11 months ago

IDF won't back up its claim that they didn't assassinate Shireen Abu Akleh either. Wonder why.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago

Refusing to investigate a supposed massacre to own da hamas

[-] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 11 months ago

It's true. They took the babies out of incubators. I hear some of them even annihilated babies with weapons of mass destruction.

spoiler/s

[-] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

Some even say the babies were the weapons of mass destruction.

Genetically engineered nuke babies.

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[-] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 28 points 11 months ago

This story doesn't work simply because there wasn't time. It's a bit of an upsetting thought, but consider how long it would take to gather and behead 40 babies even in an area you know. Hell, even with the parents' consent. For this to have happened requires the parents bringing their babies like at some kind of vaccination drive and lining them up.

[-] IceWallowCum@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago

requires the parents bringing their babies like at some kind of vaccination drive and lining them up.

Please don't give the IDF ideas

[-] ikiru@lemmy.ml 24 points 11 months ago

Fucking Palestinians drank their blood in a sick Muslim ritual too!

Totally real and has no historical precedent as a propaganda story!

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago

"take it from us, professional baby killers"

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