On france, we currently have one with 2.1M signatures, gov still said nope (petition against reintroduction of dangerous pesticide, backed by sciencists community)
Don't you guys have a more effective way of convincing the government?
Milk poured all over the streets of Paris worked well for the dairy farmers to the best of my knowledge. Imagine the fucking smell two days later.
The French are first class protesters.
The problem being that the farmers are usually protesting for pesticide.
Yellow vests, Citroëns on fire, Guillotines
Citroëns on fire
A fine tradition
I signed the petition but I had zero belief it would actually result in anything.
We don't actually live in a democracy, that's just something they tell us while they do whatever the bloody hell they want.
reminds me of my philosophy teacher arguing against someone because my teacher said that we don't live in a democracy, but a lot of people disagreed.
i still remember the look of disapointment in their face, since they had just told us the definition of democracy😭
I love people who say "we don't live in a democracy because we live in a republic." Yeah, we don't live in a republic either, bitch.
A republic has a specific definition but we absolutely do not meet.
i understand thinking you live in a democracy, but i've never heard people saying it's a republic 💀
They got it from American conservatives. Love idiot to idiot communication like this, two dumbass groups separated by an ocean using the same phrase incorrectly in different ways.
Meanwhile Nigel Farage is just racking up these own goals while getting ready to sell the whole country in three years time.
Crossing my fingers for the Corbyn party...
Hmm, I'd be a little more enthused if he wasn't on the side of Russia.
Scotland stopped voting Labour into power over a decade ago. If only England had the balls to do it too. Torys and Labour, two sides of the same corrupt coin. Come England, youre better than that. Starmer is a tory cunt. Vote greens, or Libdems, or anyone else buy those two corrupt scum parties.
I mean 122,000 out of 60 million isn’t a lot.
Could likely get 5 million to say banning people based on colour is a good idea, but I don’t agree.
Only need 500 (out of 40mil) + one MP sign off for the government to legally have to respond in Canada. They don't have to say yes but they have to officially acknowledge you at least. I was pretty surprised by how low that threshold is.
It's only like 10k here too, but the response is always "we have no plans to change anything"
The purpose of online petitions is to provide a means for people to psychologically discharge their righteous anger at something and need to be heard about it, by "doing something", with a "something" which the politicians can safelly ignore.
It's a lot harder to ignore large demonstrations and even harder to ignore people activelly campaigning at the grassroots level in their electoral circles to make specific asshole politicians loose their seats, so best have the ~~plebes~~ citizens discharge their anger on some automated online straight-to-trash People's Will recorder.
Wait until you hear about protests
Just don't inconvenience anyone in any way.
Being slightly irritating is a terrorist activity now.
Pretty much - we all put our names to them, but they do nothing.
The best option is to organise writing campaigns to your local MP and indicate that this is the decider on your vote.
What if there was a law that said once something had enough signatures, it needs to be put to a vote?
The only issue I can think of is the threshold being too high and authenticity of the signatures.
At a 1mil signatures, it must be discussed in parliament. They don't do a great job of voting on it, but it's the law.
This image is a great reflection of the entire history of the UK, incidentally.
Counterpoint: Brexit
That just proves the point. The politicians will do what serves them best, regardless of what's good for the people or the country.
Petition
Bad thing please
Government responded
Yes
The petition to reverse Brexit got something like 4 million signatures. Response: LOL No.
Brexit it's referendum because the Tories were scared of loosing power to Frog Face Faeage's party. So they did a bit of appeasement.
but why
The intern responding doesn’t have the authority to do anything.
Because there is nothing legally binding about petitions.
If petitions (= begging) are the highest level of what people can do between two elections, something about the system is fundamentally broken.
Thats why guillotines exist.
There's a few steps between begging and guillotines.
But yes, politics exists on a spectrum.
Traditionally it's
First you talk. Then you vote. Then you use the legal system. And if things are still broken, you use violence.
I'm in the US so I can't speak for the UK specifically, but it does feel like the rise of fascism and consolidation of power into fewer and fewer people is a real problem that won't be fixed by asking nicely.
- Soap Box
- Ballot Box
- Jury Box
- Ammo Box
Things aren't getting worse in the UK, they're just staying exactly the same as they've always been.
There are two parties and they're both basically identical to each other and they just keep swapping every decade or so. The Conservatives crash the economy, mostly due to piss-pour economic handling and welfare cuts, eventually everyone gets irritated with them and boots them out. Labour proceeds to blame the conservatives for the economic mess for the next 10 years, fail to really achieve anything of any significance due to the inevitable infighting (they've already started), and eventually lose power to the conservatives. Then the entire story mess repeats itself.
You get five or six rounds of this and then all the current lot die and you replace them with a new bunch of idiots.
Seriously this crap goes all the way back to the 1930s. We never get a break.
Hi! Trans and queer person from the UK here.
Shit's gotten worse, bro.
Sadly, most unhappy people still think that laws must be respected, and guillotining has fallen out of popularity with them quite recently.
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