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[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 week ago

This part really stuck out for me:

This is the latest example of a strange marketing strategy by AI companies. Instead of selling products based on helpful features and letting users decide, executives often deploy scare tactics that essentially warn people they will become obsolete if they don't get on the AI bandwagon.

If hype doesn't work, try threats!

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Which is how you know they have a good product that they have full faith in.

when they have to blackmail, threaten, coerce, and force people to accept their product.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

"The Sky Is Falling! Buy My Magic Umbrella!" is a classic hypeman's trick.

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[-] hark@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago

Funny thing to say after using their code to train the shitty-ass AI. Developers don't need AI, but AI certainly needs developers.

[-] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 week ago

CEOs, embrace torches and pitchforks.

Copilot is shit.

[-] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 16 points 1 week ago

I'm looking out in the street. I see a lack of torches, pitchforks, or any pressure on corporate interests.

[-] PleaseLetMeOut@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Don't worry, they're gonna eat themselves doing shit just like this. It's not a matter of if, but when.

"AI" has it's uses (medicine, engineering, etc.), but 99.99% of the snake oil they're selling are just gimmicky cash grabs. Classic cases of Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Let them burn their money, I say. Fuck it. Just sit back and enjoy the fire.

[-] Pika@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

Hard agree. AI is not currently at the stage that CEO's think it's at. A few years down the road there's going to be a hard crash, when the problems overthrow the benefits and they realize they are just throwing money away. Sadly this also will be accompanied with a IT/Software "sinkhole" because many who were competent in the field will have moved on to the next thing as the jobs wern't there anymore.

Something similar happened with the Nursing field during COVID, prior to the event, there was a steady if not overflow of medical professionals, but when COVID occurred they started being treated like tools, medical facilities started having to pay mad amounts of money on traveling staff that jumped from facility to facility due to it to even partially make up for it as many left the field. Jump to today, the problem still exists, an educated field like IT or nursing can't have an event that results in tons of people leaving the profession, as you can't just snap your finger and get that knowledge back. It will take years to regain that trust and get people back into the fields again.

[-] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

AI is not currently at the stage that CEO's think it's at. A few years down the road there's going to be a hard crash, when the problems overthrow the benefits and they realize they are just throwing money away.

I think they're aware which is why they're posturing with BS statements such as his. They wouldn't need to force it on people if it were actually as good as they want people to think it is. They want to cash in now because they know the house of cards will crumble sooner than later.

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[-] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago

Copilot is shit.

Exactly, my company provides license for copilot and I use it, and while it has some highlights most of the time it actually is more a nuisance than help.

It especially annoys me because it hijacks autocomplete based on types with is own that frequently has subtle bugs, so now if I have it enabled I need to be on guard all the time. With the traditional autocomplete I could just trust it to be correct.

[-] Buckshot@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago

This is my experience. It saves a bit of typing sometimes but that's probably cancelled out by the time spent correcting it, rewriting nonsense it produced, and reviewing my corworkers PRs that didn't notice the nonsense.

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[-] brown567@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 week ago
[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

Bro you are literally not necessary, not even the best at what you do. See everyone on codeberg.

[-] mesamunefire@piefed.social 9 points 1 week ago

Codeberg is so nice.

[-] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

But who else is going to micromanage and bully the employees and strut around self-importantly doing jack shit? /s

[-] imposedsensation@lemmynsfw.com 19 points 1 week ago

Sounds like a desperate tactic to show value to investors who are skeptical of all the insane level of cap ex... not to mention all the customers who don't want to pay for this garbage

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Part of the joke is who even constitutes "value investors". As the MAG7 bloat the S&P, it's increasingly just a handful of companies passing the same dollar back and forth as fast as possible, with the expectation that they'll get bailed out by the Feds when the game is up.

Sad thing is, they're probably right. Trump's trying to get the Fed to loosen rates on the heels of an inflationary wave in order to guarantee enough exit liquidity before the market crashes.

Then we'll get another brutal privatization wave, with conservatives preaching deficit hawkery in order to justify abolishing Medicare, SS, national parks, public education, anything that can be liquidated for a quick buck.

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[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago

Get out or what? GitHub?

I don’t understand this insistence that all developers must use AI.

If AI made a developer better, why insist, wouldn’t the vibe coders outcompete all others?

Wouldn’t they need non AI coders to train things?

Or is it because this snake oil pitch only works when everyone does it so no one notices it’s detrimental effects?

[-] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 7 points 1 week ago

Studies show AI coding tools make the task slower. It only makes people feel they're faster, but reality is different. So it's the snake oil pitch. Nobody can know it doesn't really work and they keep throwing money at it in an increasingly more desperate "fake it till you make it". Because, if this thing implodes, it'll take a large part of the market and economy with it to do a rerun of the 2008 financial crisis.

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 4 points 1 week ago

It's because we're expensive. That's the long and short of it.

10 developers in Silicon Valley can run you $1-$2m in salary alone (it's more expensive with benefits added).

The industry constantly conspires to keep the salary of software engineers down. It does it cyclically too. In 2008 I was told I would have no problem getting a 6 figure job when I graduated by 2013. Of course the economy had other ideas. Same thing with the dot Com bubble.

I currently make double what I did 10 years ago. It doesn't actually matter much as inflation and a divorce has had my costs balloon just as much, but it's still loads more than any other job out there.

They'll get what they want, one way or another. Then when none of their shit works they inevitably come back begging us and we request better pay and benefits again, because we know they do this. They don't learn, much like those reliant on AI.

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[-] troed@fedia.io 15 points 1 week ago

Move to Codeberg (esp. if you're European) - but please don't forget to donate something as well. If we don't pay for actual freedom, we won't be able to keep it.

[-] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Also note that it's for open source projects only.

[-] neblem@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

The underlying software forge Codeberg uses, Forgejo, is self-hostable. I'm sure some web hosting business will get around to providing a managed hosting offering eventually.

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[-] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago

I don’t trust Copilot to make basic suggestions, let alone edits, on an html file.

[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

GitHub is being pushy? Fucking GitHub?

Should we tell him git doesn’t actually need GitHub? That it existed just fine before it and will continue to exist after it?

Ima tell him…

[-] mesamunefire@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago

At some previous jobs, the newer devs would sometimes confuse the two. Its a real thing.

Me I lived through svn, mercerial, and file vault. So glad we ended up with git as the protocol.

Hell you can set up a git + file server and just use it without any Hub (Hob/lab/berg) if your bare metal enough. It works.

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[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

And now we understand why MSFT buying github a some years back was a really big deal actually, and not just some kind of mostly neutral, generic expansionary business move.

[-] falcunculus@jlai.lu 8 points 1 week ago

This is [...] a strange marketing strategy by AI companies. Instead of selling products based on helpful features and letting users decide, executives often deploy scare tactics that essentially warn people they will become obsolete if they don't get on the AI bandwagon.

Very insightful for me to read this. If AI in its present state was as useful as it is advertised, it wouldn't need such apocalyptic language.

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

It's almost exactly the same sales strategy as crypto and nft.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 points 1 week ago

real messages: embrace AI, because i still need to grift from investor's money, because AI is just a hype"

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago

He probably spent millions of his owe money on AI stocks.

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago

Considering he's a Microsoft employee and Microsoft is leaning hard into the AI craze? His stock options are all dependent on this lol

[-] db2@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

This makes me want it to fail harder.

[-] otacon239@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

While I don’t wish for this future, I do look forward to being one of the few that truly understands the ‘old way’ of computing like many here on Lemmy. All that knowledge I spent my youth acquiring may very well become insanely valuable in the next few decades because so many people will treat it as irrelevant.

I’ll feel a lot like this:

[-] iglou@programming.dev 7 points 1 week ago

Oh I'm already out, but only of your shitty products.

[-] Octavio@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I like Codeberg better anyways.

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[-] Juice@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago

You can always count on the ceos of smaller companies that are owned by larger mega corporations to tell it to ya straight with no bias

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[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Already done. I moved everything to Codeberg a year or two ago. I strongly recommend it to anyone looking for safe, non-corporate, community-oriented version control. It’s also German and non-profit.

i urge people do do this but also donate to them too <3

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[-] _AutumnMoon_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

I've always hated GitHub glad to see it finally is going to crumble

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 5 points 1 week ago
[-] art@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Risky talking down to developers. Does the CEO not know that Git is like REALLY easy to move?!

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[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Would AI be better CEO's? They would cost a lot less and probably make better decisions. Just saying.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

A CEO's main job is to spout bullshit, which is also AI's particular talent.

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[-] zephiriz@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

It's funny how so many people make big businesses and think they are the GOAT when in reality the true GOAT is Linus Torvalds.

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago

The Github CEO didn't even "make" the big business. He was appointed by Microsoft after they purchased it and their first pick for CEO of Github resigned after 2 years.

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