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[-] kureta@lemmy.ml 85 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

There was a tweet like that which was mich more funnily worded.

edit: Here it is: image

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 23 points 3 days ago

Ah one that doesn't start with making fun of his tics and mannerisms is actually funny

[-] nagaram@startrek.website 3 points 2 days ago

Honestly. Very accurate to his writing. Its less uncertain than the other.

[-] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Disappointing fake, the real Zizek would have said "Chienche".

[-] Pudutr0n@feddit.cl 9 points 3 days ago

..And so on, and so forth...

[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

A quiet reminder that literally everyone hates Zizek

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 9 points 3 days ago
[-] sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 days ago

Dude, don't shoot strays at raccoons I think they're very cuuuute

[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Why is that? /gen

Because of his recent eurocentric takes or more general views?

Also I think Zizek already is the top Zizek hater

[-] Juice@midwest.social 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If you're on the right you think he's a Marxist commie, and don't like commies.

If you're a commie you don't think he's a commie, you think he's full of shit and uses left wing intellectual language to hide that he's an apologist for liberal social democracy, but in a bad way where social democracy is a step toward capitalization and away from revolutionary socialism.

If you're an anarchist probably think he's an avatar for a certain kind of former Soviet bloc intellectualist elitism, and he actively discourages direct action (I've never spoken to an anarchist about him, I might have to ask one.)

Gender critics and feminists don't like him because he's more than a little chauvinistic, and a vocal critic of Judith Butler.

If you're apolitical you think he's annoying and incomprehensible.

I think he appeals to a certain sort of budding or wannabe left intellectual. Someone who doesn't completely understand his work as a decades-long project, probably because they are still discovering it, and the political consequences of that project. Like he says things that are interesting and sort of novel because he's a Hegelian and Hegelian analysis can be full of all kinds of cool insights. When you assemble his arguments together as a body of work though it has a much different character than some of his more interesting points in isolation. But as a moderate Hegelian he neither fits with the right "end of history" Fukuyamist Hegelians or the left Marxist Hegelians, and he is critical of both groups.

I think he understands intellectualism as a social force, and likes to bother different stripes of intellectuals. He's controversial enough to stay relevant, and good at working the media. I think he is very intentional with all this stuff.

But he broke Jordan Peterson when they debated, and got him out of the spotlight for like a year or two and that was pretty funny

[-] KTJ_microbes@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

There is an interesting interpretation of Zizek saying that he is practicing an unusual, if not new, form of rhetoric/reasoning which is aiming exactly at this kind of dissonance. I've seen it in the Philosophize This podcast, but they might have gotten it from elsewhere. It goes like this:

  1. Start with a point that the public/target group generally agrees to. Or at least it is clearly understandable. It can even be a fact. Like: there is a huge industry around automatizing sex activities, sex toys could basically have sex with each other.
  2. Arrive at a point when an obvious opinion is expect. For example: There is an expectation to hear that sex toys having sex with each other is just absurd and dehumanizing and shows their futile purpose.
  3. Put a twist on it, when you come to a logical yet unobvious conclusion. For example: Sex toys can relieve performance pressure, and people can enjoy their love life more (while Zizek's example is absurd, sex toys actually help many couples with that in much more plain ways).

Now it usually shows some kind of absurd. For example, sexual puritanism usually lauds calm love life practices - like a chat over a tea with no sexual pressure - but they might be easier to achieve with the help of obscene technology or practices, which release the performance pressure.

His style at least provokes (some) people to think and question dogmas. But it will make any movement aiming at radical coherence or agreement within a group have a beef with him. And you can find incoherence or incompleteness in any way of thinking (summoning the ghost of Gödel for the ultimate proof). And the attitude towards its own shortcomings tells you something about the movement.

[-] The_Grinch@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago

Even the people who love him hate him!

[-] Pudutr0n@feddit.cl 2 points 3 days ago

I like him. His movies are p good.

[-] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 days ago

I don't get the reference here...

[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

There is a Zizek clip where he (ironically?) proposes that instead of fulfilling the societal expectation of having sex, couples should use a pair of toys that do that work for them and enjoy some other more intellectual pursuit like having discussions over coffee or smth like that

(I probably got the details wrong, it's been a while since I've seen it)

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

He doesn't say intellectual pursuits, but more that people are free to actually be themselves, and then, later, maybe even have sex on their own terms

It's basically a commentary on societal expectations in social structures such as dating, by following the concepts such as using toys to have a "successful" date to its logical extreme

At least this is how I understand it

[-] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 days ago

I actually saw Slavoj live one time and had to sit through him repeating this information at the end of a lecture 😭

[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago

But that's kinda part of the Zizek experience, no?

[-] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.cafe 6 points 3 days ago

True, tho I didn’t know him from social media I was just attending a philosophy lecture so was caught off guard 😂

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 4 points 3 days ago

Ngl having Zizek reading you a lecture sounds cool

[-] Addv4@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago

That is slavoj zizek. He does a lot of sniffing while he talks. It's pretty notable.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago
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