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[-] Mostly_Roblox@lemmy.world 17 points 18 hours ago
[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago
[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago

Fuck all animal testing and every scientist participating in it.

[-] enumerator4829@sh.itjust.works 10 points 15 hours ago

Computational biochemistry is slowly getting there. Alphafold was a big breakthrough, and there is plenty of ongoing research simulating more and more.

We can probably never get rid of animal testing entirely for clinical research, we’ll always need to validate simulations in animals before moving on to humans.

I do however agree that animal testing outside of clinical research approved by a competent independent ethics committee can fuck right off. (Looking at you, cosmetics industry)

[-] AlolanYoda@mander.xyz 5 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

We can probably never get rid of animal testing entirely for clinical research, we’ll always need to validate simulations in animals before moving on to humans.

Getting rid of animal testing is the exact purpose of organ-on-a-chip research! This is actual bioengineered cultures, not simulations (not dissing on computational biochemistry - also extremely important)

If you can test without the full animal, then models (in this context, models = what you use for testing, be it cultures or animals) based on human induced pluropotent stem cells (ie cells taken from live, adult humans and forced to revert to a stem cell status) in an in vitro setting can actually be more relevant to human physiology than live animal models.

There are a lot of caveats (if it were easy, it would already be done), and there are barriers needed to be overcome for in vitro models to even come close to in vivo and ex vivo models. But a lot of people are investing in it, not (only) due to ethics but also due to lower model cost and better match of in vitro results with the actual effect on a live human body.

I can give papers when I get home, if you want.

Edit: I went on a deep dive on medical applications: suffice it to say, this is useless for behavioral experiments

[-] MrFinnbean@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago

Yeah. Fuck those scientists. Especially the ones that have created life saving things like penicilling, insuling. And its so shitty they used lab rats to test useless things like covid vaccines lately. I mean why to use poor rats. They could just have tested the vaccines with poor people.

And fuck cancer treatment too. Lets just treat people blindly, they are going to die anyway, why not make their last moments suffering just because you like mouses. Maybe we just should stop trying to cure cancer.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 16 hours ago

What's wrong with thalidomide? We can just put the shelves lower!

[-] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 day ago

For those who don’t know, this is how some labs use rats and mice when the are uncooperative. I don’t think the intent is to hurt the mouse, just to contain it briefly.

Not saying it’s okay or not okay. Just saying why it’s like this.

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago

I’ve seen a vet do this to a rat at the vet who was very much only interested in climbing

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 day ago

it definitely doesn't hurt the mouse, maybe they're a bit uncomfortable but it's just all-round the best solution for everyone involved

[-] BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 12 points 20 hours ago

Uncomfortable?!! No. I’ve had plenty of those serotonin potatoes as pets and they love tight spaces. A Sputnik-House is made for 2-3 rats.

Well, 7 can fit in there, the 8th just had the head in there.

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[-] devilish666@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Ahh that's why my cake icing taste like Black Death

[-] SeaDawg@lemmy.world 145 points 2 days ago
[-] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 37 points 2 days ago

rats, rats, we are the rats

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