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really wish she had been murdered the first time around, but it's not too late for someone to do god's work here.
I doubt they'll hear it, if they do it's a clear signal that they're going to overturn it. And I guarantee you that their next step is to outlaw queerness and try to make it legally defined as mental illness.
so then do all married gays just become instantly unmarried if that happens?!
From the article
It seems to me it would clear the way for congress to overturn gay marriage but I kinda doubt that will happen at least in the immediate future bc right now only something like 59 percent of republican voters oppose gay marriage (it used to be below 50 percent a few years ago as there’s been a huge reactionary tide) I’m not sure if they could come up with the votes to do that with the house majority being so thin
thank you :)
I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land can never be purged away but with blood.
i, james brown, am now quite certain huaaAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!
everyone to the right of and including bernie sanders needs to be arrested and re-educated. america is a sick society full of damaged people and they need to be dealt with. im not being hyperbolic, the survival of our species, the planet, and every species on it depends on it. for too long fascists have destroyed the planet and the “liberal democratic institutions” our society is built on, while liberals sat by and watched them do it at best while helping them do it the rest of the time. they built the prisons for us already. we need to make use of them.
I've said this before and I'll say it again: the US will need a cultural revolution after a socialist one and it will be the most difficult undertaking communists ever do. There won't be re-education because Americans were never educated in the first place. It will require isolating reactionaries from one another so they don't fall backwards into old habits. Some people will spend the rest of their lives away from society because they will reject every attempt to educate them decades later. And even more will be so extreme, they would rather die than accept capitalism failed.
Even when socialists fix everything wrong in their lives, American reactionaries will still cling to the myths of the old empire.
I don't disagree but frankly there's no way to isolate reactionaries from one another. Re-education camps? The detainees are going to talk and are not isolated from each other and will draw on each others strength to form cliques who resist probably centered around Christian faith and such and trying to lean into the feeling of being persecuted. The only way would be putting them all in isolated holding jail cells and that wouldn't make productive members of society but broken, angry, and mentally unstable people. You can try to control it somewhat in camps by instituting no talking in certain areas and monitoring others as best you can but it won't be foolproof.
I think there needs to be a limit on how much time people are subjected to re-education before we decide they're not taking it seriously and take other steps for such deeply unserious reactionary clowns. Some amount just by being sent to the country-side and deprived of Fox News and internet reactionary brain worms will probably see reason within a year or so. Those who do need to be separated quickly from the others to prevent them from reverting and placed in their own camps to advance along those lines.
Your post revolution society would need more than just internet monitoring or censorship. For one thing 9/10 churches would become and arguably already are reactionary cells, a third place for breeding reaction, stewing in it, etc.
The way to isolate them would be to integrate them into committed groups of socialists. For example, sending them to work in a factory that's worked solely by registered party members. The isolation wouldn't be like a jail cell, rather planned activities where they're not spending all their time doomscrolling social media or what have you.
Of course, they wouldn't be put in charge of anything where they could implement their reactionary beliefs or sabotage/undermine others. In the factory example, maybe they help on an assembly line or clean up spills on the factory floor. Maybe they just shadow one of the workers. The point is to get them out of their beliefs by showing them socialism works.
This isn't something that would be feasible for all of them. Incels being a good example where the quickest solution would be to have them work alongside women. But that would risk exposing those women to harm, so the incel can't be allowed out into the world and may have to stay in the incel camp.
Like I said, this will be the most difficult undertaking ever done by socialists. There's going to be a lot of problems rehabilitating American reactionaries not seen in China or the Soviet Union. It's a logistical nightmare. It will be necessary, however, because the alternative is having socialism fail or carrying out mass murder.
but frankly there's no way to isolate reactionaries from one another.
Give each of em their own isolated segment of Facebook entirely populated by ComradeGPT and ChudButBenignGPT accounts, and let them argue with the former and plan the counterrevolution with the latter.
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And of course the Dems never codified it
Look, I'm all for giving the Democrats a ton of shit. They absolutely deserve it, but let's not spread misinformation.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/8404
During the 2022 congressional session, they managed to get a law on the books to codify interracial marriage and gay marriage. Unfortunately, the enforcement mechanism is that people have to sue the state to enforce their rights, or that the DOJ needs to do something about it, but it technically is there.
So, yet another excuse from the glorious separation of powers and checks and balances? What's the point of getting "a law on the books to codify interracial marriage and gay marriage"? If they need people to sue the state, then fucking organize your Democrat media apparatus into making people do that. Saying this as a non-USian btw
I didn't say it was good way to legalize it but it's completely in line with how the rest of us citizens rights are enforced.
This is how it works in the US.
Yes it does mean the burgeoisie can basically ignore the law.
Yes it does fucking suck. This is part of what makes the us an authoritarian hell hole.
My point stands, though? How is it misinformation in the first place if the rights can be taken away at any notice because the democrats didn't care to make it otherwise?
Well, then that would be true for every right in the United States. The enforcement mechanism for "rights" is to sue the infringing party.
That means if the govt infringes your rights you sue them to be "made whole".
Thats how it works for every right including the first amendment rights. 🤦
What you're saying is the law doesn't matter regardless of what is passed. Which I agree with but it's different then your initial point
My point isn't really that the law doesn't matter (which is also true but that's beyond the scope of this conversation). My point is "democrats didn't codify it" seems to me a true statement if the law still can be repealed. If they wanted they could have organized a freaking show trial or something if the mechanism needs to be through a lawsuit, the point is that they didn't do any of that, they just wrote some stuff in a book that can be repealed at a moment's notice. Am I wrong here and just being dumb and not understanding something?
Codify to statesian means to put a law on the books. Abortion was legal because of a court ruling not a law. That's why the supreme court could do what they did.
As far as this law goes it can't just be revoked. Either the us supreme court would need to strike it down as unconstitutional (this would likely be a lengthy court battle), or Congress needs a "supermajority" to pass a new law that invalidates the previous gay marriage law. This law can't just be "revoked" from my understanding.
Now there is a whole lot of bs the govt can pull to still get its way but technically it will still have to follow this law.
You're right that it's not impervious, but it's at least a roadblock versus there being nothing in the way. You know what I mean?
Got it. I didn't quite understand it at the beginning. Thanks a lot for the explanation
No worries, the United States legal system and the way we create laws and try to enforce them is incredibly archaic, and even most people here don't understand how it works.
The Respect for Marriage Act kind of codified it. The issue is that court rulings override congressional statutes, executive orders and the constitution itself (although that's a little more rare).
They want Obergefell v. Hodges to get overturned so they can use it to beg for more money
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This doesn't mean that the case (Ermhold v. Davis) will be heard by the court. All that's happened is that Libery Counsel, a right wing legal group, submitted a writ of certiorari to the supreme court. The court gets ~8,000 of these per year and only hears around 100. I doubt that anything more comes of this, but stranger things have happened.
writ of certiorari
harry potter ass legal code, fuckin stupid country
Legalese uses a lot of Latin terms specifically because it adds mysticism and gravity
Mysterium and gravitas, you mean?
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isn't there somebody you forgot to ask? a nazi from kentucky
Oh this lady again. Yay.
Who is funding these appeals?
More tangentially, it seems like getting in front of the supreme court is the easiest lever for political change in this country. I really think you could get them to reneg on the "money as a form of speech" thing if you made the case that, say, you were just "talking" to Cubans or sex-workers or one of the other myriad ways your not actually allowed to use money as US citizen. The trouble always comes down to legal fees. It's expensive to get in front of the 9 un-elected elders who divine and decide the will of the founding fathers.
Who is funding these appeals?
Liberty Counsel (lc.org) of Orlando, Florida is. They receive around 5mil in funding per year from assorted grants and donations. Their donors aren't disclosed and they don't have a public 990 on record since 2015 and their last 990-T was from 2018. Here's the documents, but you might need to FOIA for more current info.
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/592986294
EIN-ID: 59-2986294
CW queerphobia in links
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathew_Staver
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Counsel
The Southern Poverty Law Center has listed Liberty Counsel as an anti-LGBT hate group
https://glaad.org/gap/mat-and-anita-staver/
This are the theocraric jackass grifters behind her.
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doesn't even make sense for supreme court rulings to be overturned imo. the meaning of the law changed? because you just changed your mind?
thinking on a purely procedural basis within this system, a change in law should be required for something like this to be considered.
Their argument will be -- and has been ever since the original ruling -- that the Majority Opinion misinterpreted the existing law, so it was never the meaning of the law, it just got treated that way by people abusing judicial power to accomplish their goals.
On a literal level, I think there's merit to the idea that the Constitution "as-intended" doesn't protect gay marriage, but that's just more evidence that the Constitution fucking sucks and should be thrown out, along with the Supreme Court that plays ping pong with human rights.
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I think it's time 
files for a marriage license in her county
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