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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by CatZoomies@lemmy.world to c/memes@lemmy.world

It's Pi Hole. Everything's computer.

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[-] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I have a smart TV. It is connected to two things. The wall socket for power and HDMI #2 for my PC.

Edit: Also I have a PFSense router, I use PFBlockNG to also block the IPs behind the blocked DNS entries. My phone is GrapheneOS and all of my computers are GNU Linux. Any blocked incidents I get are usually from websites. If I surf the web a lot in a month, I maybe get 200 blocked incidents. If my normie friends stay over with, for example, a Windows PC and an iPhone, I get 2000 per day. It's wild what's going on with these devices.

[-] 2fm@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

This the way.

[-] TachyonTele@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago

I've got my pc and steamdeck on my tv.
The settings menu still asks me if i want to connect for "corpo reason".

[-] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[-] Imacat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

I live in fear that someone in my house will connect the tv to the WiFi and an update will just absolutely fuck it up.

[-] AtariDump@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Block the MAC on the router.

[-] Opisek@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Welp, time to set up a MAC address whitelist.

At this point just use the TV as screen for a Raspberry and be done with it. Pi hole is good but it cant catch everything, and i would expect smart tv's by now try to smuggle out data on things that can get around the pihole. Every Smart TV has to be assumed a compromised device, with advanced data exfiltration options.

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago

They also take fingerprints of what your watching every few frames and get it out on corpo shadow mesh nets

Anybody got an in to those corpo mesh nets BTW?

[-] zakobjoa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Why does it feel like I fell into some Shadowrun Decker forum?!

[-] XM34@feddit.org 0 points 1 month ago
[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago

How do you know? Taken yours apart?

[-] XM34@feddit.org 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Several people have already tested and confirmed this and I believe them that even the big tech giants are somewhat afraid of the GDPR claws.

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

people have tested and confirned

That i believe. Fuck yeah; tech audits!

afraid of the gdpr

Im not as sure i believe that.

[-] jakemehoff11@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

'pretend this is transparent' is sending me. Bra-fucking-vo!

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

Unplug your TV from the internet and plug the HDMI into a machine running Kodi or similar.

[-] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

If you've got the hardware capabilities, I just Read yesterday that Kodi supports CEC and can be used to control your DVD player or Set Top boxes that also support it IF you have it plugged into your CEC port.

This means turning a raspberry pi into the best media access client there is for a TV takes like 20-40 minutes (install librelec, profit?)

[-] RedIce25@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Lmao but the Nvidia shield also have bullshit ads

[-] devilish666@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Buying old TV (as long as LED) or 2K resolution TV is still worth it for me because i don't like Android TV, Smart TV, or other crap and shits. For me a TV doesn't need to have that kind of features, if you want android just buy android tv box like NVIDIA Shield or Minix

[-] Prox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Couldn't you just buy a new, awesome TV and then not hook it up to the internet?

[-] popekingjoe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Many newer smart TVs will literally not boot up past a certain point until you connect them to the internet to "activate" them. It's actual madness.

[-] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Can confirm. Returned as defective.

[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

It takes ages to boot, might have integrated offline ads, draws power when on standby for features you don't want like remote controllability via network, and it'll probably nag you forever to let it online. No thanks, a display will always just be that in this household. Separate concerns please, also easier to upgrade or replace.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

I set up my Samsung give it its initial update, and then blocked it from internet at my firewall. If I need it to do something I unblock it for a few minutes and then block it again when I'm done. I use streaming sticks for all my other work and they're just pie holed regularly.

[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

At this time I'd like to shill for Sceptre. They make tvs and monitors that don't have all that stupid fucking "smart" features. I do not know of another brand that still makes dumb screens.

[-] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

(sort of) unrelated, but I found a Sceptre CRT Monitor in the woods and it's one of the best tube displays I own.

[-] mrlemmyhimself@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

What is pi hole? I would love to dumbify my smart tv if possible..

[-] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

OK, so whenever any device (e.g. your computer) wants to connect to a website (say, "wikipedia.org"), it tells your router that it wants to go to that website. Your router then sends what is called a "DNS Query" to some server, such as Google or Cloudflare, which takes the string of characters "wikipedia.org" and looks it up in their own dictionary of websites. In that listing, "wikipedia.org" will be linked to a specific IP address, which Google or Cloudflare then pass back to the router. Your router then connects the original device to that IP address, allowing your computer to get data from wikipedia.

Now, modern devices make up to hundreds of these requests every second, so it's not like it's going to ask your permission for every single _one of them, right? Of course not. The problem, however, is that virtually every single proprietary app and piece of networked hardware nowadays is actively spying on you, by sending constant "telemetry", marketing, and ad-servicing requests to hundreds, or even thousands of different services every day.

Pihole is a program that runs on a device (traditionally a raspberry pi, but could also be as simple as an old always-on tower computer or as complex as a self-hosted server). This device is connected to your internet, and what you do is you tell your router that the only place it's allowed to ask for DNS queries is your pihole device, rather than google or Cloudflare. Then you add blocklists, en masse, to your pihole, which takes every single DNS Query and checks it against the blocklists. If a DNS request isn't on the blocklists, it passes the request on to an actual DNS server, like Cloudflare, then gives the response back to the router, and the router is none-the-wiser. You get to see wikipedia. HOWEVER, if your device has the temerity, the absolute gall, to connect to any server on your blocklists? The pihole just... Doesn't pass on the message, and you get to choose whether the pihole actually sends your device a refusal, like "no, we won't be connecting to google ad services today, thank you" or if it just stays silent, not letting the blacklisted requests through, and just shredding the request every time it gets one for that unwanted site. Also, the pihole can keep a log of every single request made, both blocked and allowed, and keep tallies of the most-requested servers. It does this by default, but can easily be told to stop whenever you want.

TooComplex;Didn'tUnderstand: imagine your local network is a medieval walled city. Whenever someone inside wants to communicate out, they send their letter to the post office, which sends a runner out of the city and returns with the response. A pihole acts as a guard at the city gate, taking every letter, checking the addressee to see if the city's magistrate is okay with sending information there. The guard has a long list of places letters aren't allowed to go, and they are very fast at their job. If the addressee isn't on their list, they send out their own soldier to take the letter themselves, rather than letting the post office runner go. If the addressee is on the blocklists, they either rip up the letter and send the runner back with their own, or they just rip up the letter and beat up the runner so they don't go crying back to the sender and narc. Its the magistrate's call how the guard handles it. Also, the guard keeps a list of every single letter that arrives at the gate, unless the magistrate tells them not to. The magistrate can peruse the list and tell the guard to allow or block any addressee on that list (or off of it) at any time.

[-] AreaKode@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Block it by MAC address at the router. That's the only way to know for sure.

[-] Opisek@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Randomized MAC addresses: Bonjour

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I thought government regulation would prevent that? I thought the whole point of a Mac address was a unique id for hardware

[-] Opisek@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Unique IDs are a privacy concern. Best you can tell by randomized MAC addresses is who the manufacturer of the device is and the type of device if you're lucky (like when the manufacturer's departments are internally split into separate companies), but that's not guaranteed.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 1 month ago

New TVs will connect to other smart TVs that have been connected to the Internet.

You straight up have to pull their chips now if you really want to be sure.

[-] rudyharrelson@lemmy.radio 0 points 1 month ago

This is the first I've heard of such a thing. Like TVs connecting to one another through Wifi Direct or BTLE and tethering their internet connection? Can you link to anything discussing this?

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hmm, I recall reading a couple articles about it a year or so ago but nothing is coming up in searches.

I'm not sure if that means it was vaporware, misinformation, or coming soon to a Google TV near you. Anyone that's more familiar with network capabilities is free to correct me, but as far as I'm aware if your TV even has Bluetooth it's already capable of doing this at some level.

Either way you'll catch a smart appliance in my house when I'm dead.

[-] BreadOven@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I have an old raspberry Pi (512 mB one...maybe? It's been a while since I hooked it up). Does anyone have a good guide to follow on setting up a pi hole?

[-] Magnum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

Wow the PNG is so transparent I am impressed. I think I have never seen anything so transparent before. You guys really know how to make stuff transparent. The most transparent in the world. Every expert knows this is the most transparent transparency transpering.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I'm waiting for these smart devices to come with their own mobile modems.

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

And/or some weird legislation that mandates connecting them to your home network. Because you wouldn't want them to not be able to phone home with the thousands of screenshots so their AI can verify that you are not stealing copyrighted content, right???!

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 month ago

Who cares? I use mine only as a (huge) screen for my laptop (soon to be replaced by a steam deck)

No idea why this is getting down voted, this is the only real option for such TVs.

[-] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago

We do a lot of streaming in my house unfortunately, mostly using Kodi to pirate anime. So it needs Wifi in our case. If I had some old (working) laptops and router around, I'd do a Pihole and VPN but alas.

[-] AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Load Kodi and PiHole on the same Raspberry Pi 4 or 5.

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Mine ignores it and does its own DNS.

Not even connecting these devices to the Internet.

[-] Dhs92@piefed.social 0 points 1 month ago

Time to do the ol' firewall redirect for port 53

[-] BluescreenOfDeath@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Firewall redirect and masquerade.

Bitch you thought

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

DoH, DoT, dnscrypt, whatever else

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