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Hamas Fighters’ Orders: ‘Kill as Many People as Possible’ (www.wsj.com)

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Written orders carried by Hamas fighters sent to attack Israeli towns and settlements last weekend contained the same chilling command: Kill as many people as possible.

Documents recovered from the bodies of dead militants at the sites of attacks that killed more than 1,300 Israelis point to a deliberate strategy to massacre civilians, Israeli officials said.

The similarity of the orders given to attack teams, along with videos posted by the attackers themselves, eyewitness testimony, and the scale of civilian killings in multiple locations—at least 1,000 in total—suggest that the massacre wasn’t a byproduct of the attack but a central objective.

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[-] mrpants@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago

We could tell this from their actions. Didn't need the plans to see their plan.

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Not sure which side you're talking about currently

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

This order would be in line with their founding charter. From article 7:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Of course it wasn't a byproduct, but a central objective. It's even one core reason why Hamas exists at all!

[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Can we get some "religion of peace" folks in to walk us through this?

[-] donescobar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

These shitbags have the wrong recipe on how to gain supporters don’t they

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Their goal isn't to do anything virtuous or noble. It's literally those words that were found. They simply want to kill as many Israelis as possible, nothing more and nothing less. Hamas is not some group of freedom fighters trying to liberate Palestine.

[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works -29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lmao yeah they "found" the big super evil battle plans on a random corpse, all cleanly printed on A4 paper with maps and details and everything

You know how we send all our soldiers out with their orders in the form of unencrypted sheets of paper they got folded up in their pockets? Just in case they forget the plan?

"What was I doing here?" pulls out Big Evil Secret Plan "Oh yeah, attack the school and kill civilians! How could I forget?"

Anyone who believes this shit needs to stay home next election day

It just seems fishy. If this BESP has information that Israel can act on to prevent further attacks, shouldn't they keep it quiet so Hamas doesn't know they have to update their plans?

I don't believe a damn word I read about this whole situation. It's too much coverage for a relatively small conflict. Where's the day-by-day play-by-play of the goings-on in Myanmar? Their civil war has had more casualties in the last two years than the Israel-Palestine conflict has ever. But much like the Russo-Ukraine conflict, it's too easy for us to point at one side and say they're the bad guys, so our news doesn't care. What generates ad revenue is [side you don't like but your parents do] committing war crimes, and [side you don't like but your children do] committing even worse war crimes! It doesn't matter if literally any of it is substantiated, if we can turn families against each other, they'll click on whatever we have to say, and they'll believe it.

[-] mrpants@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 year ago

Yeah dude military personnel use maps during operations. Also these terrorists did actually attack and kill civilians. It was transparently their goal and they did it proudly.

Sorry not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes authoritarian and antisemitic government leaders commit wanton acts of terrorism to incite extreme violence against their own people. Crazy world we live in. Do try to get better.

https://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/land_navigation_map_reading/different-types-of-maps-e.shtml

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

I'm well aware that militaries use maps, and that the plans laid out in this clean piece of paper fit right in with Hamas' actions. I'm skeptical that they would need a lil MapQuest printout and list of instructions to remember that they're supposed to go to this building and kill a bunch of people. Seems like that would be easy enough to just remember.

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

If you're going to attack a village you've never been in, you're leaving the map at home?

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

I both think it's plausible but weird. Doesn't seem like something you'd need to write down.

"Hey, what were we supposed to be doing here again?"

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I can't even remember the last time I used a public bathroom in a developed country that did not have a sign reminding me to wash my hands.

[-] saze@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

This has precedent, remember the time they found Arabic flight manuals in the abandoned cars of the 9/11 perpetrators? Similarly these fighters had written notes on them in case they forgot what they were up to on the way there.

[-] Jumpinship@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Porsche?

[-] burchalka@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I understand that sometimes the military use potent drugs to enhance fighters performance - could be that written simple commands served as grounding script for someone who's on a deadly mission? "I'm extremely high, energy is busting, hard to concentrate... what am I doing here at all? Oh, here's a page that I've been shown hundreds of times last week's, right!"

Don't know if that's the case here, of course...

[-] elouboub@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago

People out here are so easy to manipulate, it's friggin' hilarious. No wonder stuff like QAnon exists.

Hamas fighters probably had their instructions taped to their forehead so that when they look at each other they remember what they're there for. "Habibi! I totally forgot why we're here! Look me right quick so I can remember.... Oh right. Kill the children. Got it."

[-] Murvel@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago

They are islamist terrorists ffs. Do you remember ISIS? Do you think they needed instructions to kill civilians?

[-] elouboub@kbin.social -3 points 1 year ago

You completely misinterpreted what I said lol I'm agreeing with you.

[-] Murvel@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

If that was your try at sarcasm, it kind of missed the mark just a tad....

[-] elouboub@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I mean, if you ignore the first sentence, there's not much I can do to help you ...

[-] Murvel@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Mhm sure

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