Only material that is clearly child sexual abuse will be searched for and can be detected.
Uh-huh. And how do you search for something specific without decrypting everything first? This is fucking embarrassing.
Wasn’t the plan for the messenger to scan for explicit material before the messages were sent (and encrypted)?
I'm going off of a article by TechRadar, but essentially: yes. This isn't about breaking encryption as I initially thought, though that seems to have been the goal when the same law was proposed (and rightfully rejected) in 2022. Rather, the new revision is about making encryption utterly pointless through the virtue of scanning all messages on your device, as you suggested. At least that's my read on the situation.
Yup, that's it.
And so, where is the problem?... Your message is scanned. If it is illegitimate you can't send it. What is the problem?
How will that initial scan take place? On your device, or sent to a server? Once you give the authorities that ability, will they stop at CSAM, or will they flag anti-israel content as well?
What if they decide tomorrow that critisising the government is unlawful? That you get arrested for being LGBTQ? Send "Free Palestine" at your friends and have cops at your door?
If they allow this scanning, they just need to edit a text file to immediately flag thousands for having certain beliefs.
Besides, the real criminals will just move encryption to a different level or find different ways to bypass this.
Ultimately, there's only one solution for governments. That is to ban all encryption. And hopefully that's something we never see happening.
These same people are at the same time taking away freedom of speech to support a genocide. How do I know they won't scan for pro Palestine content?
"Only the thing we are searching for will be searched for"
How do you know if a message has that content without scanning all messages to begin with?
The fuck? Do they think we are stupid?
Do they think we are stupid?
They definitely do. And they are partly right, for the average person this is enough to stop worrying
The average person wasn't even worried or indeed aware of this to begin with
They should just mandate that the child pornographers set the evil bit. It would save the EU leaders the trouble of learning how cryptography works.
Yeah we all know that's BS. "Child porn only" will become "anything illegal" which will become "whatever we want" and SL"with a warrant" will become "all the time"
..... And how will you be able to distinguish between encrypted child pornography and encrypted normal messages?
It's kind of the crux of the matter, so please answer this question
Easy: encrypt CSAM. If the hashes match… Gotta have the encryption key, though. But you mustn't use for decryption. Only encryption
Here is a less radical version
Privacy is not negotiable. It is not a privilege granted by the state, but a fundamental condition of human freedom. Any attempt to undermine encryption, to insert backdoors, or to surveil private communications is not about protecting children, it is about total control.
The invocation of child protection is not neutral. It is a deliberate emotional manipulation, weaponized to silence dissent and shame opposition. If these proposals were truly about helping children, they wouldn’t be attacking the one technology that protects vulnerable people, encryption, including children themselves, activists, journalists, and victims of abuse.
Once the infrastructure for total surveillance is in place, it will never be dismantled without revolution. History is clear: power concedes nothing voluntarily. There will be no going back. The moment we compromise, we lose everything, and we will not get it back without blood.
There is no middle ground between liberty and submission. This is not a policy debate. This is a war for the future of human autonomy. We must reject this system entirely, not tweak it, not reform it, but destroy it at its root. To preserve freedom, we must be absolutely ungovernable.
Once the infrastructure for total surveillance is in place, it will never be dismantled with~~out~~ a revolution.
The entire point of surveillance is that all attempts at revolutions can be thwarted.
Every other time in history, the oppressor has eventually rotted from inside and its carcass thrown overboard.
Over centuries humanity might escape its prison again.
But for the people alive when the prison is built, they will become cattle for the rest of their lives and so will their children.
We might one day build ourselves a prison we can never escape, like farms are for cow.
But if that ever happens, at least there is hope that a very large asteroid will sterilize this planet down to the last spore.
I only pray the infection has not spread to other stars before this happens.
are europeans just as bad at not reading beyond the headlines as americans?
Why doesn't any group of people get that it's OUR devices abd not THEIRS.
EU: We are not going to read your chats or look at your photos, we just stop the CP.
People: so how will you know what chats and photos contain CP?
EU: Just trust me bro...
I'm actually starting to think 25/7 monitoring of all digital communications is actually a good idea.
For politicians.
It's the only way to sure they're accountable to the public. This should be the trade off. You enter into politics and literally the only privacy you ever have is when you're in the bathroom.
Every fart, sneeze, cough, every email you send, every text you send on a phone, website you visit, is public record.
"do not read this comment"
The only way to know not to read it is to read it
If this were just hash checks running on the local device before it's encrypted and sent I could accept it. Using AI is a step too far.
No, even this should not be applied or sent anywhere. It's my phone I decide what it does, no one else. I paid for it with my money
Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
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